Armin was once one of the most prolific programmers in Python.
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@cwebber What's telling, I think, is that all these people go on about how much they're doing and how great AI is to help them build more *but there's no actual demonstrable stuff being done.* I mean, if AI was some kind of Nx multiplier you'd think we'd be getting N times more actual functionality out of software but mostly it seems like the N multiplier only applies to blog posts about how AI multiplies their programming.
@wordshaper @cwebber every line of code is a liability. it's funny that suddenly "lines of code generated" is a metric and they're all smiling, proud.
meanwhile... some AWS agent decided to rewrite half the code base on its own and deploy it to production which took down some important AWS services.
we'll just keep generating more, faster. tech debt creation at scale.
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@cwebber identity, community, established relationships, safety of a known space?
(I don't know this individual, answering in the general sense)
@cwebber on reflection, "I am no longer a part of community X" is probably a big step for hearts to take, even when original criteria for membership are no longer met
Even when humans stray FAR from a community, I think they can identify/feel it quite differently! ("I'm the only remaining true member of community X")
Yes X is a wryly amusing placeholder to me rn lol
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@cwebber What's telling, I think, is that all these people go on about how much they're doing and how great AI is to help them build more *but there's no actual demonstrable stuff being done.* I mean, if AI was some kind of Nx multiplier you'd think we'd be getting N times more actual functionality out of software but mostly it seems like the N multiplier only applies to blog posts about how AI multiplies their programming.
@wordshaper @cwebber I don't think you appreciate just how many man years go into writing production level code. My productivity has tripled but if takes weeks to get a prototype in front of 100k+ users. Is not like we're going to release clawd and watch the world burn
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Armin was once one of the most prolific programmers in Python. Says he never writes code anymore. Seeing more and more people like him write stuff like this on what are supposedly computer programming forums. https://lobste.rs/s/qmjejh/ai_is_slowly_munching_away_my_passion#c_jcgdju
Notably, once a person crosses this threshold, I see them still hang out on programming forums, but they never talk about any of the puzzles of programming anymore. Only about running agents. Which feels strange and sad. Why hang out on the forums at all then?
@cwebber yeah, even without my and many others’ objections to LLMs, it’s depressing to read about someone essentially giving up a skill.
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Very nice! I have watched experienced devs have to work at this too. They often lean towards overcomplicating things because they want to avoid hardcoding the patterns. But this then leads to a nice little discussion.
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@cwebber Also, don't use it for "summarize" because it literally can't do that.
https://ea.rna.nl/2024/05/27/when-chatgpt-summarises-it-actually-does-nothing-of-the-kind/
@jwcph @cwebber Also see “ChatGPT trust is risky, as a recent study by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) shows. The association of 68 public broadcasters from 56 countries systematically tested the reliability of the most popular AI systems. The alarming result: ChatGPT, Gemini, and other chatbots invent up to 40 percent of their answers and present them as facts.”
EBU – European Broadcasting Union (2025) News Integrity in AI Assistants. An international PSM study, https://www.ebu.ch/Report/MIS-BBC/NI_AI_2025.pdf
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