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People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

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  • Neil BrownN Neil Brown

    People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

    * pay Google
    * give government ID to Google
    * agree to Google terms and conditions

    People should be able to install the software they want on their phone, from sources other than Google's Play store, without having to jump through Google-imposed hoops.

    e.g. via F-Droid.

    We've got until September this year to stop Google squeezing the open Android ecosystem.

    https://keepandroidopen.org/

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    @neil
    Not saying i agree with Google. But how is the OS community going to fight the forces of evil trying to hijack our code?

    Between malware labs, ai slop and slop powered malware labs, i am worried. The idea of making sure real accountable humans are writing honest code seems appealing....

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    • Jeroen :neocat_rainbow:J Jeroen :neocat_rainbow:

      @GrapheneOS @illumniscate @neil Thank you for confirming that. I assume it's the same then for Murena? @gael

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      @j2 @illumniscate @neil Gaël Duval has extensively spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and /e/ to falsely market his products for his for-profit company. He has engaged in extensive libel and harassment towards our team. Here's an example of him linking to harassment content based on fabrications on a blatant neo-nazi conspiracy website, which he has done repeatedly:

      https://archive.is/SWXPJ
      https://archive.is/n4yTO

      Please don't mention him in replies to us or otherwise involve him.

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      • GrapheneOSG GrapheneOS

        @j2 @illumniscate @neil Gaël Duval has extensively spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and /e/ to falsely market his products for his for-profit company. He has engaged in extensive libel and harassment towards our team. Here's an example of him linking to harassment content based on fabrications on a blatant neo-nazi conspiracy website, which he has done repeatedly:

        https://archive.is/SWXPJ
        https://archive.is/n4yTO

        Please don't mention him in replies to us or otherwise involve him.

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        @j2 @illumniscate @neil /e/ has poor privacy and extraordinarily bad security. It lacks basic privacy and security patches/protections. It isn't a safe option but rather is a grift not fit for purpose. Strongly recommend reading https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the linked sources. /e/ and Murena services are not safe and do not respect user privacy. They heavily mislead users about what's provided including relentlessly lying about highly important missing privacy/security patches/protections.

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        • GrapheneOSG GrapheneOS

          @j2 @illumniscate @neil /e/ has poor privacy and extraordinarily bad security. It lacks basic privacy and security patches/protections. It isn't a safe option but rather is a grift not fit for purpose. Strongly recommend reading https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the linked sources. /e/ and Murena services are not safe and do not respect user privacy. They heavily mislead users about what's provided including relentlessly lying about highly important missing privacy/security patches/protections.

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          @j2 @illumniscate @neil /e/ is a fork of LineageOS, which is far less bad but not a privacy/security hardened OS. LineageOS is based on AOSP like GrapheneOS. AOSP isn't impacted by Google Play enforced restrictions on app installations, but it has been announced those can be turned off or bypassed by power users at least initially anyway. Some people integrate Google Play with privileged access into other operating systems like LineageOS where it may be relevant but they could bypass it.

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          • E Matt Panaro

            @GrapheneOS @illumniscate @neil are you guys going to be adversely impacted by the updated semi-annual release schedule for AOSP, assuming Google's still planning that change?

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            @eigen @illumniscate @neil We don't know if that's still planned and we'll be fine either way.

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