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I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

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  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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    Really sit with that for a moment.

    The only comparable historical mass-movement like it is The Great Migration, in which about 40% of the Black population of America moved north, to safer states.

    Over a period of *sixty years*.

    And the trans population isn't as concentrated as the Black population was.

    According to the 2022 USTS, about 60ish percent of trans Americans lived somewhere in the American south. That means that about 3.3 million trans Americans lived in those high-danger states, of which 400,000 moved.

    That's over 12% of the trans population of the region.

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    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

      Really sit with that for a moment.

      The only comparable historical mass-movement like it is The Great Migration, in which about 40% of the Black population of America moved north, to safer states.

      Over a period of *sixty years*.

      And the trans population isn't as concentrated as the Black population was.

      According to the 2022 USTS, about 60ish percent of trans Americans lived somewhere in the American south. That means that about 3.3 million trans Americans lived in those high-danger states, of which 400,000 moved.

      That's over 12% of the trans population of the region.

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      And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

      If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

      I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

      But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

        And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

        If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

        I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

        But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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        It's more than that, though.

        According to research from *a year ago*, almost half of all trans people are considering moving for their safety. Remember that 60ish% of all trans people live in the south.

        So, let's do a little napkin math here.

        If 50 percentage points of a population that constitutes 60 percentage points wants to move, that means that 83% of the people in those states want to move, give or take.

        Now, that number isn't quite good. On one hand, we'll have folks in, say, Wisconsin who want to skip town to Minnesota in there. On the other, Colorado is in the regions I'm talking about, and not many trans folks are leaving there, and for pretty good reason.

        So, the real percentage needs to be lower, to account for dangerous states outside of the south, but what that is? Impossible to know.

        But the point here is deeply disturbing: if even half of that percentage actually act, it would, percentage-point-wise, be a migration equal to that if The Great Migration.

        And there's absolutely no way to slice this that's not horrifying.

        https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/trans-moving-press-release/

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        • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

          It's more than that, though.

          According to research from *a year ago*, almost half of all trans people are considering moving for their safety. Remember that 60ish% of all trans people live in the south.

          So, let's do a little napkin math here.

          If 50 percentage points of a population that constitutes 60 percentage points wants to move, that means that 83% of the people in those states want to move, give or take.

          Now, that number isn't quite good. On one hand, we'll have folks in, say, Wisconsin who want to skip town to Minnesota in there. On the other, Colorado is in the regions I'm talking about, and not many trans folks are leaving there, and for pretty good reason.

          So, the real percentage needs to be lower, to account for dangerous states outside of the south, but what that is? Impossible to know.

          But the point here is deeply disturbing: if even half of that percentage actually act, it would, percentage-point-wise, be a migration equal to that if The Great Migration.

          And there's absolutely no way to slice this that's not horrifying.

          https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/trans-moving-press-release/

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          @Impossible_PhD A friend of mine in Texas compared the migration from there to the AIDS epidemic in terms of its scope; so many people leaving, and no one knew who would be gone next.

          Said friend let her lease end, and is staying with a friend while she seeks employment in friendlier locations.

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          • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

            It's more than that, though.

            According to research from *a year ago*, almost half of all trans people are considering moving for their safety. Remember that 60ish% of all trans people live in the south.

            So, let's do a little napkin math here.

            If 50 percentage points of a population that constitutes 60 percentage points wants to move, that means that 83% of the people in those states want to move, give or take.

            Now, that number isn't quite good. On one hand, we'll have folks in, say, Wisconsin who want to skip town to Minnesota in there. On the other, Colorado is in the regions I'm talking about, and not many trans folks are leaving there, and for pretty good reason.

            So, the real percentage needs to be lower, to account for dangerous states outside of the south, but what that is? Impossible to know.

            But the point here is deeply disturbing: if even half of that percentage actually act, it would, percentage-point-wise, be a migration equal to that if The Great Migration.

            And there's absolutely no way to slice this that's not horrifying.

            https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/trans-moving-press-release/

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            @Impossible_PhD
            I think they would be welcome here in Colorado, but yes, this has very serious implications

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            • Nicola Elle 🏳️‍⚧️N Nicola Elle 🏳️‍⚧️

              @Impossible_PhD A friend of mine in Texas compared the migration from there to the AIDS epidemic in terms of its scope; so many people leaving, and no one knew who would be gone next.

              Said friend let her lease end, and is staying with a friend while she seeks employment in friendlier locations.

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              @NicolaElle @Impossible_PhD anecdotally these numbers fit my experience as someone who lives in a state people are moving to. I live in a very small town that is a very red area in a very blue state but our local LGBTQ group is seeing a small uptick of people moving from southern states.

              I also work at a very small college and in the past year we went from zero trans fems to three that I know of. I know 2 of them are transfer students fleeing southern states. Don’t know about the third. Trans masc population has been holding steady. We have always had a few and still have a few.

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                @Impossible_PhD
                I think they would be welcome here in Colorado, but yes, this has very serious implications

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                @screwturn@mastodon.social I've got someone from Colorado sitting on the couch beside me who thought, moving in the US only gets me more US, and fled on a cook's pay and ridiculous overtime to Germany in 2021, because she wasn't about to wait out the shitshow that was about to come. @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

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                • That Frisian Girl-ishT That Frisian Girl-ish

                  @screwturn@mastodon.social I've got someone from Colorado sitting on the couch beside me who thought, moving in the US only gets me more US, and fled on a cook's pay and ridiculous overtime to Germany in 2021, because she wasn't about to wait out the shitshow that was about to come. @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

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                  @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn@mastodon.social @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

                  Yeah I'd be one of those mass migration statistics. I had people trying to push me into fryers/got fired for being trans. I find that blue states just like to shove their fingers in their ears and scream "It doesn't happen here" and ignore I worked with a black guy that was almost lynched and received rohipnol for my activism. The USA is the USA imo, it's just a difference in how much hate is outwardly allowed. Federal law is Federal law and the US President is acting like a dictator. State Laws are worthless in such a situation.

                  I struggled every day in the USA, developed severe trauma and an alcohol addiction, was almost homeless several times. Now I am a respected head chef of a restaurant that I have watched fire people for disrespecting my identity. That's Colorado vs Nordrhein Westfalen for ya.

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                  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

                    Just

                    Last

                    Year

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                    @Impossible_PhD While it is a sad time without constitutional protections, I am thankful that some have found a safer community - it is a shame to the nation they even felt they needed to, but here we are. May decisions for the future provide a better enforcement of the constitution of the united states and/or justice for those harmed by those in 'power' that ignore the constitution even now.

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                    • That Frisian Girl-ishT That Frisian Girl-ish

                      @screwturn@mastodon.social I've got someone from Colorado sitting on the couch beside me who thought, moving in the US only gets me more US, and fled on a cook's pay and ridiculous overtime to Germany in 2021, because she wasn't about to wait out the shitshow that was about to come. @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

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                      @thatfrisiangirlish
                      I hear them

                      @Impossible_PhD

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                        @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn@mastodon.social @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

                        Yeah I'd be one of those mass migration statistics. I had people trying to push me into fryers/got fired for being trans. I find that blue states just like to shove their fingers in their ears and scream "It doesn't happen here" and ignore I worked with a black guy that was almost lynched and received rohipnol for my activism. The USA is the USA imo, it's just a difference in how much hate is outwardly allowed. Federal law is Federal law and the US President is acting like a dictator. State Laws are worthless in such a situation.

                        I struggled every day in the USA, developed severe trauma and an alcohol addiction, was almost homeless several times. Now I am a respected head chef of a restaurant that I have watched fire people for disrespecting my identity. That's Colorado vs Nordrhein Westfalen for ya.

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                        @GoldenRetrieverGF @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD

                        This is probably a really difficult (impossible?) study to do because it would involve Americans now living all over the world, but I would be curious as to what the “already left the country" numbers are. I also am one of those.

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                        • Golden Retriever GFG Golden Retriever GF

                          @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn@mastodon.social @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

                          Yeah I'd be one of those mass migration statistics. I had people trying to push me into fryers/got fired for being trans. I find that blue states just like to shove their fingers in their ears and scream "It doesn't happen here" and ignore I worked with a black guy that was almost lynched and received rohipnol for my activism. The USA is the USA imo, it's just a difference in how much hate is outwardly allowed. Federal law is Federal law and the US President is acting like a dictator. State Laws are worthless in such a situation.

                          I struggled every day in the USA, developed severe trauma and an alcohol addiction, was almost homeless several times. Now I am a respected head chef of a restaurant that I have watched fire people for disrespecting my identity. That's Colorado vs Nordrhein Westfalen for ya.

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                          @GoldenRetrieverGF
                          All true
                          But for those whom leaving the country entirely is not a practical option, Blue States at least offer something slightly better.

                          @thatfrisiangirlish @Impossible_PhD

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                          • Humphrey ArcherS Humphrey Archer

                            @GoldenRetrieverGF
                            All true
                            But for those whom leaving the country entirely is not a practical option, Blue States at least offer something slightly better.

                            @thatfrisiangirlish @Impossible_PhD

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                            @screwturn@mastodon.social @thatfrisiangirlish @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io fair point. I had to work myself to arthritis and alcoholism to get out. Not possible for many, and not recommended for all.

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                            • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                              It's more than that, though.

                              According to research from *a year ago*, almost half of all trans people are considering moving for their safety. Remember that 60ish% of all trans people live in the south.

                              So, let's do a little napkin math here.

                              If 50 percentage points of a population that constitutes 60 percentage points wants to move, that means that 83% of the people in those states want to move, give or take.

                              Now, that number isn't quite good. On one hand, we'll have folks in, say, Wisconsin who want to skip town to Minnesota in there. On the other, Colorado is in the regions I'm talking about, and not many trans folks are leaving there, and for pretty good reason.

                              So, the real percentage needs to be lower, to account for dangerous states outside of the south, but what that is? Impossible to know.

                              But the point here is deeply disturbing: if even half of that percentage actually act, it would, percentage-point-wise, be a migration equal to that if The Great Migration.

                              And there's absolutely no way to slice this that's not horrifying.

                              https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/trans-moving-press-release/

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                              @Impossible_PhD yeah speaking from Colorado - and not even the “good” destination city in Colorado, the one people settle for due to cost of living - there’s a lot of trans transplants. Texas, Georgia, and Kansas are the sources that come to mind but I don’t have like, counts or anything of course.

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                              • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

                                Just

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                                #alttext

                                impact

                                Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election.

                                A key ring with two keys and a transgender pride flag key fob.

                                This marks one of the largest domestic relocations in modern U.S. history.

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                                • SophieS Sophie

                                  @GoldenRetrieverGF @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD

                                  This is probably a really difficult (impossible?) study to do because it would involve Americans now living all over the world, but I would be curious as to what the “already left the country" numbers are. I also am one of those.

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                                  @sophiesometimes Yep

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                                  • decapitaeD decapitae

                                    @Impossible_PhD While it is a sad time without constitutional protections, I am thankful that some have found a safer community - it is a shame to the nation they even felt they needed to, but here we are. May decisions for the future provide a better enforcement of the constitution of the united states and/or justice for those harmed by those in 'power' that ignore the constitution even now.

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                                    @Impossible_PhD Unchecked link:
                                    https://open.substack.com/pub/cmarmitage/p/four-laws-to-end-the-fascist-madness

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                                    • SophieS Sophie

                                      @GoldenRetrieverGF @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD

                                      This is probably a really difficult (impossible?) study to do because it would involve Americans now living all over the world, but I would be curious as to what the “already left the country" numbers are. I also am one of those.

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                                      @sophiesometimes @GoldenRetrieverGF @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD

                                      Moi aussi!

                                      And, yeah, we already know multiple people who've moved here from the US in the last 9 months. My wife has a coworker who moved shortly after us. There's a (cis?) lesbian couple in my wife's French class who moved. A few others we know of. And we're not even that well-connected!

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                                      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

                                        Just

                                        Last

                                        Year

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                                        @Impossible_PhD
                                        I left Florida! Now in Arizona, but it's not safe either. Probably going to Pennsylvania in a few months.

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                                        • SophieS Sophie

                                          @GoldenRetrieverGF @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD

                                          This is probably a really difficult (impossible?) study to do because it would involve Americans now living all over the world, but I would be curious as to what the “already left the country" numbers are. I also am one of those.

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                                          @sophiesometimes@anarres.family

                                          I would also be interested in this information but I believe the US government does not make it readily available as it would thwart the American Dream argument. At least I think that's what I've heard. You'd need to look at each countries immigration stats and compare that to past years personally. I don't know if it's accurate but the recent stats I heard here in Germany is US immigration has increased some absurd number like 4000% over last year. if anyone has better access to those numbers I welcome correction.

                                          I personally fled as soon as the borders opened after Covid Quarantine. Because I left the country too.

                                          @thatfrisiangirlish @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io @screwturn@mastodon.social

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