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I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

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  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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    @Impossible_PhD I know so many trans people who've recently fled to Seattle from Texas, Florida, etc. The ones who first moved had connections, jobs, housing to land in, money. But I'm seeing more and more who don't know a soul, don't have networks, don't have money or jobs or housing, and capitalism and our high cost of living is a different kind of disaster when they get here.
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    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

      I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

      Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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      @Impossible_PhD See: "Tiebout Sorting"
      https://www1.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/LGrant/ref_cards_full/Topic_referenceSheet_tiebout_sorting.pdf

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      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

        Really sit with that for a moment.

        The only comparable historical mass-movement like it is The Great Migration, in which about 40% of the Black population of America moved north, to safer states.

        Over a period of *sixty years*.

        And the trans population isn't as concentrated as the Black population was.

        According to the 2022 USTS, about 60ish percent of trans Americans lived somewhere in the American south. That means that about 3.3 million trans Americans lived in those high-danger states, of which 400,000 moved.

        That's over 12% of the trans population of the region.

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        @Impossible_PhD I see 41% of respondents in the South for USTS 2022. Are you looking at a different set of states?

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        • Juniper πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸŒ²E Juniper πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸŒ²

          @Impossible_PhD I see 41% of respondents in the South for USTS 2022. Are you looking at a different set of states?

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          @eruonna "The South" isn't all the south--its the Civil War South, so it's not inclusive of, like, TX, OK, NV, and a bunch of other states that are high risk. I added The South and the American Non-Pacific Southwest together to try and be a little more accurate.

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          • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

            @eruonna "The South" isn't all the south--its the Civil War South, so it's not inclusive of, like, TX, OK, NV, and a bunch of other states that are high risk. I added The South and the American Non-Pacific Southwest together to try and be a little more accurate.

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            @Impossible_PhD okay. I think they are using the census South, which does include Texas, but also is only about 40% of the US population. If that included 60% of the trans people, that would be quite surprising

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            • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

              It's more than that, though.

              According to research from *a year ago*, almost half of all trans people are considering moving for their safety. Remember that 60ish% of all trans people live in the south.

              So, let's do a little napkin math here.

              If 50 percentage points of a population that constitutes 60 percentage points wants to move, that means that 83% of the people in those states want to move, give or take.

              Now, that number isn't quite good. On one hand, we'll have folks in, say, Wisconsin who want to skip town to Minnesota in there. On the other, Colorado is in the regions I'm talking about, and not many trans folks are leaving there, and for pretty good reason.

              So, the real percentage needs to be lower, to account for dangerous states outside of the south, but what that is? Impossible to know.

              But the point here is deeply disturbing: if even half of that percentage actually act, it would, percentage-point-wise, be a migration equal to that if The Great Migration.

              And there's absolutely no way to slice this that's not horrifying.

              https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/trans-moving-press-release/

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              @Impossible_PhD Hopefully future studies try to gauge the distance (i.e. miles) and typical migration patterns of these moves. I'm thinking of how a lot of studies of climate change related internal movement often show that people typically move to the nearest perceived safe location, and the Great Migration itself had a lot of "typical" migration routes (e.g., I seem to recall that the Black migrants to Chicago and New York typically came from different parts of the South).

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                @Impossible_PhD
                I left Florida! Now in Arizona, but it's not safe either. Probably going to Pennsylvania in a few months.

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                @talvayas @Impossible_PhD Pennsylvania is safe-ish, for now, but the lower house of the legislature has a 1-seat Dem majority and the upper house managed to block critical funding for public transit that nearly crippled the entire state in a blatant attempt to hurt minorities, so be careful here. We also have two Republicans in the Senate, even if one is cosplaying as a Dem for the lols (Fetterman).

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                • That Frisian Girl-ishT That Frisian Girl-ish

                  @screwturn@mastodon.social I've got someone from Colorado sitting on the couch beside me who thought, moving in the US only gets me more US, and fled on a cook's pay and ridiculous overtime to Germany in 2021, because she wasn't about to wait out the shitshow that was about to come. @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

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                  @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD We left in 2017 for the same reasons. I regret only not being able to drag vulnerable friends with us.

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                  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                    @Impossible_PhD Alt text: impact
                    Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election
                    1/8
                    This marks one of the largest domestic relocations in modern U.S. history.

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                    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                      I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                      Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                      jackJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @Impossible_PhD forcing specific groups of people to move away under threat... that's one of the definitions of genocide, isn't it

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                      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                        @Impossible_PhD ⬆️ happy to offer a below market rent for a concerned party who wants to take over my apartment in nyc

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                        • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                          I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                          Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                          @Impossible_PhD US law and policies against trans people do qualify as Genocide under Geneva Convention's definition. Sadly it is neither the first nor the last one happening under US auspice. Having some of our worst leaders pinning after US right wing drift and post-democracy decline is one of the things that steals the peace from my sleep

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                          • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                            @eruonna "The South" isn't all the south--its the Civil War South, so it's not inclusive of, like, TX, OK, NV, and a bunch of other states that are high risk. I added The South and the American Non-Pacific Southwest together to try and be a little more accurate.

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                            @Impossible_PhD @eruonna

                            Net migration from Texas alone would be staggering, I think. (Edited to add: Because it's big, highly populated, and one of the worst states for trans rights and getting worse FAST)

                            I'm one of them. And I know several more trans folks that left before me, several that left after me, and several more planning to move within the next year.

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                            • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                              I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                              Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                              @Impossible_PhD #Alt4You image description (you may be able to update your post to make it more accessible): "Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election

                              This marks one of the largest domestic relocations in modern U.S. history."

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                              • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                liloL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @Impossible_PhD Where does this number come from? Could you please provide a source? (I've read the article linked further in the thread but the survey data seems to be older)

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                                • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                  I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                  Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                  @Impossible_PhD

                                  That list keeps growing. I might be moving within a month or two after I started pursuing the most awesome opportunity last week and it is getting real πŸ₯°

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                                  • liloL lilo

                                    @Impossible_PhD Where does this number come from? Could you please provide a source? (I've read the article linked further in the thread but the survey data seems to be older)

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                                    @lilo Which number? The USTS is easily googlable, and the 400,000 number broke a few days ago, so that's easily googlable too.

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                                    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                      I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                      Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                      @Impossible_PhD raises hand partner and I moved from "purple state" to "blue state" December 2024...

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                                      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                        @lilo Which number? The USTS is easily googlable, and the 400,000 number broke a few days ago, so that's easily googlable too.

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                                        @Impossible_PhD I mean a source for the statement "Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election". Found it now, for other readers: https://www.mapresearch.org/2025-norc-survey-report

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                                        • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                          I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                          Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                          @Impossible_PhD I would've left the US faster if I could. I had to leave for the States midway through immigrating, got denied entry, and had to start the process from scratch in the US. Given that I'm literally just waiting on the PR card, I might have been able to be a card-carrying immigrant before 2025 ended if that didn't happen.

                                          I lived in Chicago previously since 2017. Were it not for the way the election went and the federal policy changes, I would've died, ideally of old age, in Chicago. The city saved my life, but I got tired of being a Cassandra after over a year of begging every trans person I had interactions with to take this shit seriously, to prepare to either flee or face literal warfare.

                                          While I may have been wrong about warfare, that's mostly because I overestimated how violent the response to what ICE is doing would be.

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