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  3. I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.

I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.

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  • Mike Prior-JonesD Mike Prior-Jones

    I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.

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    Dave
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    @drmikepj

    The real question is evaluating that risk given it's all at whim, could be good, could be bad, anyway which way the wind blows?

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    • SkyLukeS SkyLuke

      @drmikepj I am afraid of a world with just one big global power. But Trump is working hard to make sure China rises to that position.

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      Tomala
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      @SkyLuke @drmikepj

      I think that in this case, the opposite is true.
      After ~ 30 years, they woke up to the fact that capitalist greed had created a monster.
      What we are now witnessing are convulsions in the face of an existential threat!

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      • DaveT Dave

        @drmikepj

        The real question is evaluating that risk given it's all at whim, could be good, could be bad, anyway which way the wind blows?

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        @trelord75 I don’t need to quantify the risk particularly, but I do need to think about what would prompt me to cancel the trip before departure, or bring everyone home mid-trip. In both cases a military buildup nearby would be a trigger to cancel the trip and go home.

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        • Mike Prior-JonesD Mike Prior-Jones

          @trelord75 I don’t need to quantify the risk particularly, but I do need to think about what would prompt me to cancel the trip before departure, or bring everyone home mid-trip. In both cases a military buildup nearby would be a trigger to cancel the trip and go home.

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          @drmikepj

          True but given the proximity, how close is enough, what is the range of the assets required to do what they might want to do, be logical is a good starting point, preempt it, long range bombing you may not know, but why would they bomb what they might need, surgical strikes more likely, so watch military movements, ships leaving, where are they going, carriers with required shorter range assets to do the job.

          That's what I'd be looking at, no surprises, eliminate the possibilities, or confirm it, and leave.

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            @SkyLuke @drmikepj

            I think that in this case, the opposite is true.
            After ~ 30 years, they woke up to the fact that capitalist greed had created a monster.
            What we are now witnessing are convulsions in the face of an existential threat!

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            SkyLuke
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            @tomala @drmikepj Yes, but instead of trying to evolve they want to make the entire world go back to the past by force. While everyone goes away from fossil fuels, they are invading a nation yet again to get their oil.

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            • DaveT Dave

              @drmikepj

              True but given the proximity, how close is enough, what is the range of the assets required to do what they might want to do, be logical is a good starting point, preempt it, long range bombing you may not know, but why would they bomb what they might need, surgical strikes more likely, so watch military movements, ships leaving, where are they going, carriers with required shorter range assets to do the job.

              That's what I'd be looking at, no surprises, eliminate the possibilities, or confirm it, and leave.

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              @trelord75 I know the typical US military air movements for a normal season (I’ve even flown on some of them, as military aircraft support science projects) and so any OSINT showing ships, helicopters, tanker aircraft or non-transport aircraft in the area will indicate something will happen.

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              • DaveT Dave

                @drmikepj

                True but given the proximity, how close is enough, what is the range of the assets required to do what they might want to do, be logical is a good starting point, preempt it, long range bombing you may not know, but why would they bomb what they might need, surgical strikes more likely, so watch military movements, ships leaving, where are they going, carriers with required shorter range assets to do the job.

                That's what I'd be looking at, no surprises, eliminate the possibilities, or confirm it, and leave.

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                @drmikepj

                Also worth noting, the other place is tropical, your destination is ice covered, they need established assets to gain any foothold, if they destroy them then they would have to build, already defeated themselves if they do that.

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                • DaveT Dave

                  @drmikepj

                  Also worth noting, the other place is tropical, your destination is ice covered, they need established assets to gain any foothold, if they destroy them then they would have to build, already defeated themselves if they do that.

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                  Mike Prior-Jones
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                  @trelord75 Greenland isn’t all ice-covered, and all the populated areas are just tundra. Seisure of strategic locations (airports) would be the obvious military objective. Greenland has no internal roads so everything travels by air or sea.

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                  • Mike Prior-JonesD Mike Prior-Jones

                    I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.

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                    @drmikepj My kid just turned down an invitation from a British friend to join them for eclipse-viewing in Iceland this summer--because my kid is trans, and was afraid they wouldn't be let back into the US.

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                    • Mike Prior-JonesD Mike Prior-Jones

                      @trelord75 Greenland isn’t all ice-covered, and all the populated areas are just tundra. Seisure of strategic locations (airports) would be the obvious military objective. Greenland has no internal roads so everything travels by air or sea.

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                      @trelord75 my main concern is the ensuing logistical chaos after an invasion, rather than the relatively small risk of being killed by military action

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                      • Mike Prior-JonesD Mike Prior-Jones

                        @trelord75 Greenland isn’t all ice-covered, and all the populated areas are just tundra. Seisure of strategic locations (airports) would be the obvious military objective. Greenland has no internal roads so everything travels by air or sea.

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                        @drmikepj

                        I just keep thinking of the Team Amer1kkka theme song, ckfu yeah, coming through to save ...

                        Those guys are gunna have a field day with all this junk, and so they should.

                        (obligatory "Matt Damon" as a sign of love & respect)

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                        • Mike Prior-JonesD Mike Prior-Jones

                          I know this is pretty small beer in the light of world events, but I was not expecting to have to write “risk of invasion by the USA” into the risk assessment for my fieldwork in Greenland in June.

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                          Angela Scholder
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                          @drmikepj A year ago that would indeed have been a far fetched idea.
                          But, the announcements have been repeated already multiple times since.

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                          • epicdemiologistE epicdemiologist

                            @drmikepj My kid just turned down an invitation from a British friend to join them for eclipse-viewing in Iceland this summer--because my kid is trans, and was afraid they wouldn't be let back into the US.

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                            @epicdemiologist that’s very sad

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                            • Angela ScholderA Angela Scholder

                              @drmikepj A year ago that would indeed have been a far fetched idea.
                              But, the announcements have been repeated already multiple times since.

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                              @AngelaScholder indeed, hence my concern! I’ve been doing fieldwork in Greenland every year for the last four years, this is the first time I’ve had to take a threat of war seriously

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