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  3. In an even remotely healthy political system and culture - and everywhere else in the democratic world - January 6 would have been a dealbreaker: The end of Trump as a major political figure.

In an even remotely healthy political system and culture - and everywhere else in the democratic world - January 6 would have been a dealbreaker: The end of Trump as a major political figure.

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  • Thomas ZimmerT This user is from outside of this forum
    Thomas ZimmerT This user is from outside of this forum
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    In an even remotely healthy political system and culture - and everywhere else in the democratic world - January 6 would have been a dealbreaker: The end of Trump as a major political figure. He would have been convicted, shunned, banished - everyone associated with him ostracized from public life.
    https://mastodon.social/@tzimmer_history/115848833302950146

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    • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

      In an even remotely healthy political system and culture - and everywhere else in the democratic world - January 6 would have been a dealbreaker: The end of Trump as a major political figure. He would have been convicted, shunned, banished - everyone associated with him ostracized from public life.
      https://mastodon.social/@tzimmer_history/115848833302950146

      Thomas ZimmerT This user is from outside of this forum
      Thomas ZimmerT This user is from outside of this forum
      Thomas Zimmer
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      In the United States, he returned to the presidency just four years later.

      A catastrophic, system-wide failure to hold him or the party that had elevated him to power in the first place to account that leaves Americas political elites and elite institutions widely and rightfully discredited.

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      • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

        In the United States, he returned to the presidency just four years later.

        A catastrophic, system-wide failure to hold him or the party that had elevated him to power in the first place to account that leaves Americas political elites and elite institutions widely and rightfully discredited.

        Thomas ZimmerT This user is from outside of this forum
        Thomas ZimmerT This user is from outside of this forum
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        It should be a stark reminder that a mere restoration of the deeply insufficient status quo ante will not be enough. If the devastations wrought by Trumpism in power are followed yet again by a failure to hold anyone to account and pretensions of returning to “normalcy,” democracy cannot survive.

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        • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

          In the United States, he returned to the presidency just four years later.

          A catastrophic, system-wide failure to hold him or the party that had elevated him to power in the first place to account that leaves Americas political elites and elite institutions widely and rightfully discredited.

          DipperL This user is from outside of this forum
          DipperL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @tzimmer_history There seem to be a lot of people who happily kiss democracy good bye for "safe borders" and the simple solutions of fascism. And Trump can do and say whatever he wants - they always forgive, there are never any consequences.

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          • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

            In the United States, he returned to the presidency just four years later.

            A catastrophic, system-wide failure to hold him or the party that had elevated him to power in the first place to account that leaves Americas political elites and elite institutions widely and rightfully discredited.

            HeliographH This user is from outside of this forum
            HeliographH This user is from outside of this forum
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            @tzimmer_history 😒 👆 👇 https://mastodon.social/@Irisherself/115841589401670829

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            • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

              It should be a stark reminder that a mere restoration of the deeply insufficient status quo ante will not be enough. If the devastations wrought by Trumpism in power are followed yet again by a failure to hold anyone to account and pretensions of returning to “normalcy,” democracy cannot survive.

              Don RayD This user is from outside of this forum
              Don RayD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @tzimmer_history

              Discredited for sure: Biden and Merritt Garland.

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              • Don RayD Don Ray

                @tzimmer_history

                Discredited for sure: Biden and Merritt Garland.

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                @tzimmer_history @donray Discredited for sure: 43 complicit Republican senators—a minority of senators—who voted to let him off.

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                • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

                  In an even remotely healthy political system and culture - and everywhere else in the democratic world - January 6 would have been a dealbreaker: The end of Trump as a major political figure. He would have been convicted, shunned, banished - everyone associated with him ostracized from public life.
                  https://mastodon.social/@tzimmer_history/115848833302950146

                  Edelruth, PBS Passport HolderE This user is from outside of this forum
                  Edelruth, PBS Passport HolderE This user is from outside of this forum
                  Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder
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                  @tzimmer_history

                  Everywhere else, that hot mike interview on the bus ("grab 'em), would have been enough.

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                  • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

                    It should be a stark reminder that a mere restoration of the deeply insufficient status quo ante will not be enough. If the devastations wrought by Trumpism in power are followed yet again by a failure to hold anyone to account and pretensions of returning to “normalcy,” democracy cannot survive.

                    Urban HermitU This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @tzimmer_history waiting for the bad man to die is not a plan at all. All this will happen again, and worse as someone new, smarter, more evil, and younger tries again.

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                    • Thomas ZimmerT Thomas Zimmer

                      It should be a stark reminder that a mere restoration of the deeply insufficient status quo ante will not be enough. If the devastations wrought by Trumpism in power are followed yet again by a failure to hold anyone to account and pretensions of returning to “normalcy,” democracy cannot survive.

                      ZauberlehrlingR This user is from outside of this forum
                      ZauberlehrlingR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @tzimmer_history

                      The greatest tragedy of this tragedy will be the failure to gird the soft underbelly of democracy
                      -reform the court
                      -eliminate the electoral college
                      -democratize the senate
                      -entrench voting rights
                      -eliminate the philibuster

                      Democrats just want to 'go back to the way it was" which clearly wasn't working.

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