The Great Migration 🚀

@kitkat Client app is open source, but not the server part. It isn't federated and additionally is very dependent on the aws infrastructure.

@dansup

@dansup @matrix @xmpp signal still just crashes on startup on my Huawei phone. It apparently uses google APIs so it certainly isn't escaping from BigTech.

@dansup LinkedIn → ? Someone should do that, just sayin’

@pwm It's not; that's why there's an asterisk by it with a note at the bottom.
I'm guessing he added it as there's not really a federated messaging platform at the level of WhatsApp yet.

@hyc I've used it just fine on a De-Googled Pixel running GrapheneOS without G Play Services. Might be something specific with Huawei, but I have no clue

@dansup @matrix @xmpp I wish people would use Simple X en masse instead of WhatsApp.

@techindepth27 oh the post got edited, I see.
Deltachat would be a sane suggestion in its place imo as it runs over email. Alas.

@dansup fixed one of the images for you

@pwm Looks interesting, I don't think I've heard of Deltachat before. By far the biggest issue with new messaging apps is you have to get everyone you're talking to to switch too and I just got most of them to get Signal so I don't think I'm going to be able to get them to switch again lol

@dansup @matrix @xmpp Part of me wish I had all of these services, but just one identity/login between them.

@techindepth27 Deltachat provides an interface and equivalent (if not better) encryption to signal/telegram/whatsapp. You can run their dedicated chatmail suite of software or even point the thing at any email server with imap (I host my own using maddy this way). Which is pretty strong for adoption imo because everyone has email already.
I use the hell out of it for internet people and cannot recommend it highly enough.
But yeah, the main problem of setting up software to talk to people is that you largely only get to talk to people already using it. As before, that's partially solved by the fact that everyone has email so the only barrier is installing an app, but even that's too much friction for many.

@dansup

#WhatsAppAlternatives #METABoycott #USAboycott

European privacy-friendly options, I’m not an expert. What do you think about these? Did I miss anything?

️ SESSION *
Focus on high anonymity.
Decentralized network , easy to use.
No phone, ID or email required
Open Source. FREE

️ SIMPLEX *
Focus on maximum privacy
No user IDs or phone numbers required.
Open Source. FREE

️ THREEMA ***
Very popular in Germany
Uses anonymous 8-digit Threema ID. Proprietary code (but audited) 1 time 5€

DELTA CHAT *
Super easy to use, user can open an account just with a nick name. No user IDs or phone numbers required.
Open Source. FREE

ELEMENT / MATRIX *
Perfect for secure communication.
Federated (choose your server).
Communicate with anyone using Matrix protocol applications. Open Source. FREE

SIGNAL ***
Requires a Phone, metadata concerns ️
FREE

*Open Source
**Proprietary
***Hybrid 50%-50%

Comparison by
https://
eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

@dansup How is @supapp progressing?

@techindepth27 @hyc It's dependent on the source of the app I think. When you get the self-updating APK from their website or from #fdroid through adding the @guardianproject repo it should be resolved.

@hyc @dansup @matrix @xmpp
huawei uses harmonyos, which may not be compatible with android.
older phones used android.

@LightningToaster That would make sense I think I have the F-droid version

@dansup Thank you!

@dansup @matrix @xmpp Brother, how to fight the "Network Effect" that these Tech Giants' apps already have?

@dansup

@matrix @xmpp

@dansup
> * - I know signal isn't federated, consider @matrix or @xmpp alternatively

How about pointing to https://quicksy.im/ rather than Signal? And @snikket_im for those who prefer #selfhosting ?

#Quicksy is by far the easiest way to get into #XMPP, and it behaves like WhatsApp (and Signal) users expect, with automatic contact discovery.

We need truly open instant messaging, not more walled gardens. However much good Signal has done for privacy in IM, it is *not* the golden answer to WhatsApp, Telegram, and all the other monolithic platforms.

@daniel
@matrix @xmpp