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  • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J This user is from outside of this forum
    Jonathan Kamens 86 47J This user is from outside of this forum
    Jonathan Kamens 86 47
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    Did you know?
    There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
    Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
    This is the way.

    diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D Pickle Rick :arakawa:B Andrew ZonenbergA datum (n=1)D bipolaronB 10 Replies Last reply
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    • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

      Did you know?
      There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
      Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
      This is the way.

      diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D This user is from outside of this forum
      diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D This user is from outside of this forum
      diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱
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      #2

      @jik

      I remember television sets had complete schematics inside. And if that wasn't enough, complete troubleshooting guides and parts lists at the local library.

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      • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

        Did you know?
        There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
        Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
        This is the way.

        Pickle Rick :arakawa:B This user is from outside of this forum
        Pickle Rick :arakawa:B This user is from outside of this forum
        Pickle Rick :arakawa:
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        #3

        @jik Yeah, my parents' generation: most stereos came with schematics. And washers and dryers did too.

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        • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

          Did you know?
          There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
          Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
          This is the way.

          Andrew ZonenbergA This user is from outside of this forum
          Andrew ZonenbergA This user is from outside of this forum
          Andrew Zonenberg
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          @jik Stanford Research Systems still does this for most, if not all, of their lab equipment (although firmware source code is not included so if the processor or flash is dead you're out of luck unless you can get a replacement from them).

          But for anything else, component level repair and troubleshooting is very doable.

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          • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

            Did you know?
            There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
            Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
            This is the way.

            datum (n=1)D This user is from outside of this forum
            datum (n=1)D This user is from outside of this forum
            datum (n=1)
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            #5

            @jik Pro tip: up until the 1980s it was not rare for there to be a slip of paper inside the appliance with the circuit diagram(s).

            Ovens, stereo amplifiers, turntables, clothes washers, etc.

            And unless someone took it out, those older pieces of hardware STILL have them inside.

            Sometimes loose, sometimes pasted on to a surface.

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            • datum (n=1)D datum (n=1)

              @jik Pro tip: up until the 1980s it was not rare for there to be a slip of paper inside the appliance with the circuit diagram(s).

              Ovens, stereo amplifiers, turntables, clothes washers, etc.

              And unless someone took it out, those older pieces of hardware STILL have them inside.

              Sometimes loose, sometimes pasted on to a surface.

              AI6YR BenA This user is from outside of this forum
              AI6YR BenA This user is from outside of this forum
              AI6YR Ben
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              @datum @jik LOL, I find the schematics for devices (when I can) and print them out, and tuck them inside the devices now.

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              • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                Did you know?
                There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
                Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
                This is the way.

                bipolaronB This user is from outside of this forum
                bipolaronB This user is from outside of this forum
                bipolaron
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                @jik I have binders with beautiful schematics for a lot of my equipment, this is almost the entire reason why I prefer stuff from before 2000.

                It's amazing how possible it is to repair things when they don't use a bunch of microcontrollers with secret firmware and publish actual schematics.

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                • AI6YR BenA AI6YR Ben

                  @datum @jik LOL, I find the schematics for devices (when I can) and print them out, and tuck them inside the devices now.

                  datum (n=1)D This user is from outside of this forum
                  datum (n=1)D This user is from outside of this forum
                  datum (n=1)
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                  @ai6yr you are a role model the current era needs 😃

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                  • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                    Did you know?
                    There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
                    Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
                    This is the way.

                    Crystal Huff (they/them)C This user is from outside of this forum
                    Crystal Huff (they/them)C This user is from outside of this forum
                    Crystal Huff (they/them)
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                    @jik I didn't know that, and tbh, the fact that my first reaction was "that is so wild!" is probably indicative of why this lack is such problem now. Goodness.

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                    • AI6YR BenA AI6YR Ben

                      @datum @jik LOL, I find the schematics for devices (when I can) and print them out, and tuck them inside the devices now.

                      FaraiweF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Faraiwe
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                      @ai6yr @datum @jik ... don't everyone do that??? 0.o

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                      • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                        Did you know?
                        There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
                        Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
                        This is the way.

                        Frank Bennett 🇯🇵F This user is from outside of this forum
                        Frank Bennett 🇯🇵F This user is from outside of this forum
                        Frank Bennett 🇯🇵
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                        @jik I once rescued a moped from a neighbor's junkpile, found that it was sold through the Sears & Roebuck department store, and was able to order specific carburetor parts from the exploded view in their catalog to get it going again.

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                        • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                          Did you know?
                          There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
                          Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
                          This is the way.

                          mtnrbq65M This user is from outside of this forum
                          mtnrbq65M This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @jik

                          I seem to have a recollection of it also coming with an annotated 6502 assembly listing of the ROM, or am I mis-remembering?

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                          • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                            Did you know?
                            There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
                            Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
                            This is the way.

                            SnugS This user is from outside of this forum
                            SnugS This user is from outside of this forum
                            Snug
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                            @jik It really annoys me when I'm trying to work on a device (usually audio) that was discontinued like 15 years ago and the manufacturer won't give me a schematic because it's 'proprietary'.

                            I often end up finding that there's nothing really proprietary in there, but there are some serious design flaws. I then assume that's what they were trying to hide.

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                            • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                              Did you know?
                              There was a time when every piece of electronic or mechanical equipment you purchased came with a complete schematic diagram enabling you to diagnose problems and buy any replacement parts you might need to repair it at any point in the future.
                              Ex: my Apple ][+ came with complete schematics. So did my first stereo amplifier.
                              This is the way.

                              NiniN This user is from outside of this forum
                              NiniN This user is from outside of this forum
                              Nini
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                              #14

                              @jik I think about if that did continue and if manufacturers would be interested in including a small booklet of schematics alongside your warranty card or even if it'd be feasible. We've come a long way from the Apple II+ after all.

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