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  3. Nice article about really owning your own data: « The Everything Account ». #fediverse A bit more imagination and this could work with #ActivityPub too.

Nice article about really owning your own data: « The Everything Account ». #fediverse A bit more imagination and this could work with #ActivityPub too.

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  • EyeE This user is from outside of this forum
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    Nice article about really owning your own data: « The Everything Account ». #fediverse A bit more imagination and this could work with #ActivityPub too. (See also: #atproto, @Solid )

    https://www.augment.ink/the-everything-account/

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      Nice article about really owning your own data: « The Everything Account ». #fediverse A bit more imagination and this could work with #ActivityPub too. (See also: #atproto, @Solid )

      https://www.augment.ink/the-everything-account/

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      @eyeinthesky

      It takes some reading, and some prior knowledge, but this is #ATProto specific only

      There is a faint hat-tip:

      "Thank you for reading! You can follow me on the #Atmosphere or the #Fediverse."

      but that can hardly be called even that

      The Fediverse?

      #Mastodon?

      Barely a hat-tip

      So how exactly is this an "The Everything Account" when it's specifically looking at one protocol only?

      And when in fact Bluesky is its own monolithic ecosystem that has to be bridged to talk to anything else?

      "You arrive, create your Everything Account, and take it everywhere you go."

      An Everything Account

      Which at the moment doesn't exist

      Got it

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        @eyeinthesky

        It takes some reading, and some prior knowledge, but this is #ATProto specific only

        There is a faint hat-tip:

        "Thank you for reading! You can follow me on the #Atmosphere or the #Fediverse."

        but that can hardly be called even that

        The Fediverse?

        #Mastodon?

        Barely a hat-tip

        So how exactly is this an "The Everything Account" when it's specifically looking at one protocol only?

        And when in fact Bluesky is its own monolithic ecosystem that has to be bridged to talk to anything else?

        "You arrive, create your Everything Account, and take it everywhere you go."

        An Everything Account

        Which at the moment doesn't exist

        Got it

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        @FinchHaven The design is not specific to #atproto (although the article uses that implementation as an example). The W3C Solid project ( @Solid ) uses a very similar approach with Linked Data. I've seen recent mentions of exploring this type of architecture for the Fediverse too. Do you know of any reason it couldn't be done with #ActivityPub? This is where the imagination is required.

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          @FinchHaven The design is not specific to #atproto (although the article uses that implementation as an example). The W3C Solid project ( @Solid ) uses a very similar approach with Linked Data. I've seen recent mentions of exploring this type of architecture for the Fediverse too. Do you know of any reason it couldn't be done with #ActivityPub? This is where the imagination is required.

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          @eyeinthesky

          It''s not even the specific protocol that I question

          It's that these dreamy-eyed, hand-wavy "Everyone should control their own data!!" always ignore the real-world reality of that dreamy ideal:

          On what server in what rack in which data center politically controlled by what nation-state does any of this happen?

          What nation controls the necessary data connections and interties?

          What data does that nation monitor?

          Your "Every Account" has to exist on some hardware, served by some corporate ISP, somewhere

          To pretend that reality is not foundational makes the whole "My Every Account" just fairy tale

          Fun to talk about at a pub, maybe, but ultimately of little significance in the real world

          cc @Solid

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            @eyeinthesky

            It''s not even the specific protocol that I question

            It's that these dreamy-eyed, hand-wavy "Everyone should control their own data!!" always ignore the real-world reality of that dreamy ideal:

            On what server in what rack in which data center politically controlled by what nation-state does any of this happen?

            What nation controls the necessary data connections and interties?

            What data does that nation monitor?

            Your "Every Account" has to exist on some hardware, served by some corporate ISP, somewhere

            To pretend that reality is not foundational makes the whole "My Every Account" just fairy tale

            Fun to talk about at a pub, maybe, but ultimately of little significance in the real world

            cc @Solid

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            @FinchHaven It's true that life's not perfect, but that's no reason, in my opinion, to give up on "everything".

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              @FinchHaven It's true that life's not perfect, but that's no reason, in my opinion, to give up on "everything".

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              @eyeinthesky

              Not living in fairy land is not "giving up on everything"

              Bye...

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                @eyeinthesky

                Not living in fairy land is not "giving up on everything"

                Bye...

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                @FinchHaven What are you proposing as a solution (or solutions)?

                Note that I quoted only "everything" (as a word play on "The Everything Account").

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                  @silverpill I'll wait until those AP everything accounts exist to comment on their relative merits. 🙃 However, you can use did:web with atproto/BlueSky (if you have your own domain, PDS, yada, yada, ... which you'd want if data ownership is a priority for you).

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                    @silverpill I'll wait until those AP everything accounts exist to comment on their relative merits. 🙃 However, you can use did:web with atproto/BlueSky (if you have your own domain, PDS, yada, yada, ... which you'd want if data ownership is a priority for you).

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                    @eyeinthesky @silverpill the fediverse, even before ActivityPub, has had Everything Accounts since 2010
                    #Friendica

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