To be honest, I would rather live in a less stupid and evil time, if possible
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@KeithWM you're family, that's a bit different. But a lot of us first learned to hate ourselves/women from our dads, too. Since you asked that's at least probably not the case for her.
I watched my dad belittle, ignore and take my mother and her work for granted my whole life, til he died early for various reasons, mostly self-inflicted.
I watched him walk away from her as she was in tears of pain.
I will never understand why men take women from the world and make them so small, it's abhorrent.The more she learns to ignore various men the less likely that'll ever happen to her.
@noodlemaz Sorry to hear that. But I do have to say there's a big difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. I don't always live up to my own standards.
And then I'm not even getting into the whole paradox of objecting to some things my wife and daughter like doing because I think they perpetuate sexist stereotypes. Things like reading fairy tales and spending (too?) much time and effort on how you look.
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@noodlemaz Sorry to hear that. But I do have to say there's a big difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. I don't always live up to my own standards.
And then I'm not even getting into the whole paradox of objecting to some things my wife and daughter like doing because I think they perpetuate sexist stereotypes. Things like reading fairy tales and spending (too?) much time and effort on how you look.
@noodlemaz Right now the best thing I can do is just go to bed. At least that way tomorrow I won't be the cranky man I was this morning. Good night!
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@noodlemaz Sorry to hear that. But I do have to say there's a big difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. I don't always live up to my own standards.
And then I'm not even getting into the whole paradox of objecting to some things my wife and daughter like doing because I think they perpetuate sexist stereotypes. Things like reading fairy tales and spending (too?) much time and effort on how you look.
@KeithWM I mean you can think it, but you don't have to say it.
The problem is, we're dealing with huge amounts of expectation of our appearance. Out in the world, at work, even just on the street.
So yes, even though it's work and can be expensive, it can be... Smoother, to go along with some of those.And it's less arduous if you enjoy it. Makeup etc is also self-expression. Current masculinity robbing men of the chance to express themselves with colours and other appearance-modifications isn't women's fault. Try painting your nails sometimes, it's great.
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To be honest, I would rather live in a less stupid and evil time, if possible
@donni Please take me with you.
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@KeithWM I mean you can think it, but you don't have to say it.
The problem is, we're dealing with huge amounts of expectation of our appearance. Out in the world, at work, even just on the street.
So yes, even though it's work and can be expensive, it can be... Smoother, to go along with some of those.And it's less arduous if you enjoy it. Makeup etc is also self-expression. Current masculinity robbing men of the chance to express themselves with colours and other appearance-modifications isn't women's fault. Try painting your nails sometimes, it's great.
@noodlemaz I've probably just internalized stuff, but I don't want to paint my nails.
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@noodlemaz I've probably just internalized stuff, but I don't want to paint my nails.
@KeithWM sounds like internalised 'stuff' for sure...
If your daughter is still sub-14 or so it can be a good bit of bonding fun.I'm sure you could find something else to work on that's a bit more consequential.
