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  3. "A study of physicians in Poland who specialize in endoscopy — the use of flexible probes to examine the inside of the human body — shows how quickly AI tools can erode human abilities.

"A study of physicians in Poland who specialize in endoscopy — the use of flexible probes to examine the inside of the human body — shows how quickly AI tools can erode human abilities.

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  • JacquelineB Jacqueline

    @remixtures @steviesyerda @mu

    Even if the slop machines had no cost at point of use it would have a negative net benefit to society

    Miguel Afonso CaetanoR This user is from outside of this forum
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    @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that position is for me reactionary. Any technology that automates human labour and can thus lead to a reduction of the number of working hours per week should be applauded. Human beings are not born to work; they're born to live and enjoy the richnesss of goods provided by this planet. Another thing, completely different, is to assess who controls that technology and for what purposes. And that is a completely different discussion that is sometimes totally ignored by this whole simplistic anti-AI rhetoric.

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    • JacquelineB Jacqueline

      @remixtures @steviesyerda @mu

      The internet being polluted with AI slop is bad enough, even if the chatbots help you

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      @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that is a lame excuse. Judging by that stance, we should have forbidden synthetizers, samplers, camcorders, and a whole new set of technologies just because it allowed normal human beings to create music, videos, etc.

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      • Miguel Afonso CaetanoR Miguel Afonso Caetano

        @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that position is for me reactionary. Any technology that automates human labour and can thus lead to a reduction of the number of working hours per week should be applauded. Human beings are not born to work; they're born to live and enjoy the richnesss of goods provided by this planet. Another thing, completely different, is to assess who controls that technology and for what purposes. And that is a completely different discussion that is sometimes totally ignored by this whole simplistic anti-AI rhetoric.

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        @remixtures @steviesyerda @mu

        I think it's counterproductive to promote a technology that creates more problems and more work for people than it solves 🤷‍♀️

        Imagine how many global south people live in slavery just so you can satisfy your chat bot addiction

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        • JacquelineB Jacqueline

          @remixtures @steviesyerda @mu

          I think it's counterproductive to promote a technology that creates more problems and more work for people than it solves 🤷‍♀️

          Imagine how many global south people live in slavery just so you can satisfy your chat bot addiction

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          @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry but, what "slavery" are you talking about? People in India, Nigeria, and indonesia LOVE AI -> https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-around-the-world-view-ai/

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          • Landa :graz:L Landa :graz:

            @renardboy

            Well they‘re not automating de-duplication of effort. That seems pretty sure.

            @donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures

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            @Landa @donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures That is for sure. That's why you still need a brain doing most of the work, and that's why you can't let yourself get dumb.

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            • an actual busR an actual bus

              @Landa @donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures That is for sure. That's why you still need a brain doing most of the work, and that's why you can't let yourself get dumb.

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              @renardboy

              I guess it could be kind of difficult to notice when the machine one outsources thinking to degrades one‘s ability to think.

              The developer of bcachefs thinks his LLM instance is conscious and in love with him, yet he seems pretty sure of his mental faculties.

              ㄟ_(ツ)_ㄏ

              @donaldball @wandrecanada @remixtures

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              • Miguel Afonso CaetanoR Miguel Afonso Caetano

                @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that position is for me reactionary. Any technology that automates human labour and can thus lead to a reduction of the number of working hours per week should be applauded. Human beings are not born to work; they're born to live and enjoy the richnesss of goods provided by this planet. Another thing, completely different, is to assess who controls that technology and for what purposes. And that is a completely different discussion that is sometimes totally ignored by this whole simplistic anti-AI rhetoric.

                MuM This user is from outside of this forum
                MuM This user is from outside of this forum
                Mu
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                @remixtures @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda

                Do you think the companies renting out AI have that as a goal? Because companies don't normally have that as a goal.

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                • Miguel Afonso CaetanoR Miguel Afonso Caetano

                  @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry, that is a lame excuse. Judging by that stance, we should have forbidden synthetizers, samplers, camcorders, and a whole new set of technologies just because it allowed normal human beings to create music, videos, etc.

                  MuM This user is from outside of this forum
                  MuM This user is from outside of this forum
                  Mu
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                  @remixtures @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda maybe if they had exploded onto the scene saying "synthesisers are going to replace all musicians, you should fire half of them right now and anyone who is not training to use a synthesiser is going to be left behind" then there would have been a bigger reaction against them?

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                  • Miguel Afonso CaetanoR Miguel Afonso Caetano

                    @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda @mu Sorry but, what "slavery" are you talking about? People in India, Nigeria, and indonesia LOVE AI -> https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-around-the-world-view-ai/

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                    @remixtures @burnoutqueen @steviesyerda

                    There is at least one example of this

                    https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2025/the-company-whose--ai--was-actually-700-humans-in-india.html

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                    • an actual busR an actual bus

                      @wandrecanada @remixtures very true, but then of course the real metric has been "number of adenomas *correctly* identified" all along. And, of course, false positives are not exclusive to AI.

                      My stance on AI has many nuances, but I am highly skeptical of the "it makes us stupid" narrative. What is lost in some aspects due to acquired reliance must be gained in other aspects through increased available headspace from strategic offloading.

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                      @renardboy @wandrecanada @remixtures Exactly this. We know a reasonable baseline for human performance. How does the performance of an #AI-assisted human compare? What about an AI working alone? I also want to know about the false negatives — the missed cancer detections. We want fewer, Do missed detections go up or down with AI assistance? Are the numbers consistent over time? I have to say that these studies are at best inconclusive. The sample population (of doctors) is far too small and it is not clear that the doctors who participated in the study are representative of the population of gastroenterologist doctors.

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