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I feel like I'm getting better at shell fu.

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  • Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

    I also hate that shell builtins don't have manpages. I have looked up the justification for this and I find it deeply unsatisfying.

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    @gsuberland in zsh, it's all one page, zshbuiltins(1)

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    • Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

      I also hate that shell builtins don't have manpages. I have looked up the justification for this and I find it deeply unsatisfying.

      Marcus MüllerF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @gsuberland not on their own; bash builtins share one giant manpage you never want when you get it, and never when you want it. man test.
      zsh has `man zshbuiltins`.

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      • classabbyampC classabbyamp

        @gsuberland smartctl has a json output option, which would mean jq could give something maybe more readable, but the format it emits is kinda annoying... it's like tables as json

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        @classabbyamp yeah you could do

        smartctl -a -j /dev/da0 | jq '.ata_smart_attributes.table[] | select(.name=="Power_On_Hours") | .raw.value'

        but the grep and cut was shorter here

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        • classabbyampC classabbyamp

          @gsuberland in zsh, it's all one page, zshbuiltins(1)

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          @classabbyamp what a mess

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          • Marcus MüllerF Marcus Müller

            @gsuberland not on their own; bash builtins share one giant manpage you never want when you get it, and never when you want it. man test.
            zsh has `man zshbuiltins`.

            Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG This user is from outside of this forum
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            @funkylab which then makes it impossible to search >_<

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            • Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

              @funkylab which then makes it impossible to search >_<

              Marcus MüllerF This user is from outside of this forum
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              @gsuberland yep, exaxtly my gripe. `man zsh-for` or even `man zsh for` would be possible on modern `man`s

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              • Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

                @acsawdey I've tried to use awk a few times but I find the syntax non-obvious (in a similar way to perl) so it never sticks

                honestly `python -c` would probably be easier for me to remember lol

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                @acsawdey @gsuberland
                Awk is a bit awkward, but it's a piece of cake compared to Perl. But I, too, prefer Python.

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                  @acsawdey @gsuberland
                  Awk is a bit awkward, but it's a piece of cake compared to Perl. But I, too, prefer Python.

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                  @brouhaha @gsuberland well, yes for anything other than 1-liners I too prefer python. But awk somehow is very amenable to doing tiny things like this:

                  awk '{count[$0]++} END{for(x in count) { printf("%-10d %s\n",count[x],x) } } ' | sort -n

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                  • Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

                    I also hate that shell builtins don't have manpages. I have looked up the justification for this and I find it deeply unsatisfying.

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                    @gsuberland consider toybox?

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                    • Graham Sutherland / PolynomialG Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

                      the main annoyance I have with shell stuff is how the command names defy discoverability.

                      "I would like to flush my current shell history to the history file"

                      "ok run fc -W"

                      "huh. what does fc stand for?"

                      "fix command"

                      "... ok"

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                      @gsuberland

                      I use fc (through aliases) all the time and I have never heard a good explanation of the name.

                      100% agreed discoverability is a huge problem in shell commands, built-in or not. I wrote a tool, "nums",then literally years later found out that "seq" does almost the same thing. Mine is only better in being smart about zero padding: "nums 01-10" pads, "nums 1-10" doesn't

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