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I want this but as a Linux distribution.

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  • Itamar Turner-TrauringI Itamar Turner-Trauring

    @mcc 1Password says "We want team members at all levels to take the approach of actively learning AI best practices, identifying opportunities to apply AI in meaningful ways, and driving innovative solutions in their daily work. Embracing the future of AI isn't just encouraged at 1Passwordβ€”it's an essential part of how we will be successful at 1Password."

    Pretty upset about KeepassXC on a personal level.

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    @itamarst Well, there is no universe where I would consider using 1password, but I guess that's still good to know

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    • mccM mcc

      @itamarst Well, there is no universe where I would consider using 1password, but I guess that's still good to know

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      @mcc @itamarst it's a solidarity building exercise, now we can all be upset together

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      • mccM mcc

        My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

        https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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        @mcc …shit

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          @mcc @itamarst it's a solidarity building exercise, now we can all be upset together

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          @mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" β€” is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

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          • mccM mcc

            My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

            https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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            @mcc Yeah, KeePassXC going this route really hurt. I'm probably going to migrate back to a text file encrypted with gnupg for basic password management, but I have no idea what I'm going to use for one-time passcodes.

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            • GlyphG Glyph

              @mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" β€” is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

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              @mcc @itamarst obviously this bothers me because it's a common trope at this point

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              • AislingL Aisling

                @mcc …shit

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                @Lingmops @mcc I’m beginning to feel as if I’m gonna need to head back to just saving my pswds in a text file on my computer again. 🫀

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                • GlyphG Glyph

                  @mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" β€” is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

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                  @glyph @itamarst i'm assuming they'll go directly to "ah, we're already using it, so we can't back it out now" even in orgs where the primary driver of it being used was executive mandates that each employee use a certain number of AI tokens per month

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                  • mccM mcc

                    My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                    https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                    @mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?

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                    • mccM mcc

                      RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

                      I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

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                      @mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-

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                      • mccM mcc

                        My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                        https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                        RE: https://wellduck.me/@greyduck/116110983001607000

                        I would like the answer to this question as well.

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                          @mary @ariadne That's interesting but as you say, vaultwarden without the client is… there's not a way to use it is there?

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                          • Brett Edmond CarlockB Brett Edmond Carlock

                            @mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-

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                            @Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives

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                            • mccM mcc

                              @glyph @itamarst i'm assuming they'll go directly to "ah, we're already using it, so we can't back it out now" even in orgs where the primary driver of it being used was executive mandates that each employee use a certain number of AI tokens per month

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                              @mcc @itamarst my prediction is that they will pretend that once there are a few more truly catastrophic stories in the press, like if a whistleblower shows up to conclusively prove that Microsoft *knows* copilot is causing all the Windows bugs that everyone suspects it is, they will simply change the copy on their website to indicate that they were always against this and they were never fooled, and there will not be consequences for anyone involved

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                                @Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives

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                                @mcc Yeah, absolutely. Thankfully so far these changes have all been low-stakes for me, but they are disruptive none-the-less.

                                As a fairly recent full time Linux everywhere user, something as stupid as changing my music manager app was a pretty significant shakeup. Twice, back to back, no less, after finally settling on each one. Enough that I had to package an entirely different media manager to use, since I had no other options I remotely enjoyed using.

                                Again, whinging, but the pattern holds

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                                • Karel P KerezmanG Karel P Kerezman

                                  @mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?

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                                  @greyduck @mcc probably best to ask Mr Reichel here: https://sourceforge.net/p/keepass/discussion/329220/

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                                  • Brett Edmond CarlockB Brett Edmond Carlock

                                    @mcc Yeah, absolutely. Thankfully so far these changes have all been low-stakes for me, but they are disruptive none-the-less.

                                    As a fairly recent full time Linux everywhere user, something as stupid as changing my music manager app was a pretty significant shakeup. Twice, back to back, no less, after finally settling on each one. Enough that I had to package an entirely different media manager to use, since I had no other options I remotely enjoyed using.

                                    Again, whinging, but the pattern holds

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                                    @mcc Low-stakes, and I have options.

                                    What about for more significant/critical tools for folks? What about when there aren't real options?

                                    What about for folks that can't just build and package something else?

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                                    • mccM mcc

                                      My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                                      https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                                      @mcc oh yikes wtf please not bitwarden

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                                      • mccM mcc

                                        @ariadne I am, in a flippant and general way, saying I want to eradicate all code with "AI code assistant" contributions from my computer and VPSes, but I do not currently know a way to do so. I keep having programs I previously installed add the poison after the fact without public notice. https://mastodon.social/@mcc/116110912928005524

                                        Perhaps in future I will have to use Alpine Linux if that's how I get my code audited for no "AI" contributions.

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                                        @mcc @ariadne hmmm there’s probably some really awful way to hack this into NixOS if you want to compile your whole system

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                                          @mary Still trying to figure out what a pure open source version of React Native would look like. Writing React Native apps currently seems to require using something called "expo" which is theoretically open source but it refuses to run unless you sign up for a specific online service and sign a terms & conditions with questionable terms

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