for the full moon, saint brigid's day, and imbolc*, this little white cat made of earth and fire would like to wish you peace and renewal, light and hope.
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@moonrabbit oh, how do you get the 3rd?
My (purely solar) calculation gets me the 9th this year.
@mirabilos
tbh, i didn't calculate this year; i found calculators/calendars and cross-checked. but the 9th seems ... late. cross-quarters are rarely (never?) past the 7th-ish i don't think? -
@mirabilos
tbh, i didn't calculate this year; i found calculators/calendars and cross-checked. but the 9th seems ... late. cross-quarters are rarely (never?) past the 7th-ish i don't think?@moonrabbit depends on the method, that’s why I asked for the one you used
(mine uses the golden ratio for the declination of the sun, 9th this year is ≈ 1/1.618 of the maximum (summer solstice) inclination)
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@moonrabbit depends on the method, that’s why I asked for the one you used
(mine uses the golden ratio for the declination of the sun, 9th this year is ≈ 1/1.618 of the maximum (summer solstice) inclination)
@mirabilos
so i think the 3rd comes from a even division of the solar year by 45° using ecliptic longitude.there's another system that gets to the 5th, but that's achieved (i think) by dividing the time evenly between the determined dates/times of solstices and equinoxes (rather than the year as a whole by 45°).
risshun in japan (the start of spring) is now celebrated on the 4th-ish ... i think it used to be lunar but now coincides more with the 24 solar seasons that they presumably adopted from the chinese? the first day of spring in the chinese calendar is more like the 4th/5th.
basically there are lots of different ways to calculate! in reality, i try to go by seasonal signs but ultimately end up celebrating on the day closest to the "right" one when i actually have the time and energy to do so. today happens to be a sunday, so with any luck ...
wishing you a beautiful day and a joyful spring, whenever it happens for you.
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@mirabilos
so i think the 3rd comes from a even division of the solar year by 45° using ecliptic longitude.there's another system that gets to the 5th, but that's achieved (i think) by dividing the time evenly between the determined dates/times of solstices and equinoxes (rather than the year as a whole by 45°).
risshun in japan (the start of spring) is now celebrated on the 4th-ish ... i think it used to be lunar but now coincides more with the 24 solar seasons that they presumably adopted from the chinese? the first day of spring in the chinese calendar is more like the 4th/5th.
basically there are lots of different ways to calculate! in reality, i try to go by seasonal signs but ultimately end up celebrating on the day closest to the "right" one when i actually have the time and energy to do so. today happens to be a sunday, so with any luck ...
wishing you a beautiful day and a joyful spring, whenever it happens for you.
@mirabilos @moonrabbit Today, I learned...thank you for the explanations!
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@mirabilos
so i think the 3rd comes from a even division of the solar year by 45° using ecliptic longitude.there's another system that gets to the 5th, but that's achieved (i think) by dividing the time evenly between the determined dates/times of solstices and equinoxes (rather than the year as a whole by 45°).
risshun in japan (the start of spring) is now celebrated on the 4th-ish ... i think it used to be lunar but now coincides more with the 24 solar seasons that they presumably adopted from the chinese? the first day of spring in the chinese calendar is more like the 4th/5th.
basically there are lots of different ways to calculate! in reality, i try to go by seasonal signs but ultimately end up celebrating on the day closest to the "right" one when i actually have the time and energy to do so. today happens to be a sunday, so with any luck ...
wishing you a beautiful day and a joyful spring, whenever it happens for you.
@moonrabbit hmmmmh, time equally is… possible, I guess. Seasonal signs are the most local, and sometimes upended (things like 20°C in February but snow in April).
The site I found argues with that the somewhat-shifted dates for the February and August holidays (the May and November ones are really close!) match older folk holidays. There was that calendar thing, too… these got transplanted first to Julian calendar, then to Gregorian calendar, and perhaps at some point they were close to the 1st so people just stuck to that.
Spring happens to me on the Æquinōx really, but as things are, allergy season has already started. My eyes are tearing, and I guess I need sleep anyway.
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@mirabilos @moonrabbit Today, I learned...thank you for the explanations!
@StriderLongshanks @moonrabbit I can write up what I found a bit more, just not today. You don’t happen to read German, do you? (In which case I can just link you my sources.)
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@moonrabbit hmmmmh, time equally is… possible, I guess. Seasonal signs are the most local, and sometimes upended (things like 20°C in February but snow in April).
The site I found argues with that the somewhat-shifted dates for the February and August holidays (the May and November ones are really close!) match older folk holidays. There was that calendar thing, too… these got transplanted first to Julian calendar, then to Gregorian calendar, and perhaps at some point they were close to the 1st so people just stuck to that.
Spring happens to me on the Æquinōx really, but as things are, allergy season has already started. My eyes are tearing, and I guess I need sleep anyway.
@mirabilos
what i've read re the first is that the standardisation is mainly in relation to the christian calendar and an attempt to stifle/"assimilate" older traditions by amalgamating them into christian feast days.but that prevalence of that may depend largely on the country in question!
i've always looked at equinoxes and solstices as the high (or mid: hence midsummer and midwinter) points of the seasons. it's *really* spring by the 21st(ish) of march. but the cross quarters are when the energy of the season arrives, when the shift begins, when spring opens the door from the outside and winter opens it from the inside.
a change in the wind and water, a feeling really ...
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@StriderLongshanks @moonrabbit I can write up what I found a bit more, just not today. You don’t happen to read German, do you? (In which case I can just link you my sources.)
@moonrabbit @mirabilos Ich schon!
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@moonrabbit @mirabilos Ich schon!
@moonrabbit @StriderLongshanks http://web.archive.org/web/20170628085124/http://www.astrothek.de/artikel/jahreskreis/jahreskreis_termine.html and linked, at least
see the comments in https://evolvis.org/plugins/scmgit/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=shellsnippets/shellsnippets.git;a=blob;f=mksh/earthseasons;h=e49f63b3ed9510f76dfb7af859257fd7d1aa233d;hb=HEAD(user=pass public due to the "AI" scraper attacks), too, that’s the script I made to get the info from NASA’s JPL Horizons API, and two of the https://evolvis.org/~tg/calendars/ are the results for the current year or two
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for the full moon, saint brigid's day, and imbolc*, this little white cat made of earth and fire would like to wish you peace and renewal, light and hope.
whether you're moving into the light or entering the darker months, may the light of the moon and the energy of the flames carry and guide you.
*today is actually the full moon and saint brigid's day, but it's the standardised date for imbolc. one of the ancient celtic cross-quarter days, imbolc is a moveable astronomical (fire) festival, and this year, its actual date is 03 february. unless of course you want to celebrate by seasonal cues, which is also a thing that happened.
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forge I can feel the energy shift, have been basking in the increased light, (briefly; its cold!) but there is still 8-10" of snow on top of everything, and it was 8 degrees F when I got up this morning. No snowdrops, no reeds or any greenery to weave Brigid crosses. But I will clean out my woodstove to light a new fire, clean out a candle holder to light a new candle, learn more about Imbolc, make food with milk and butter, spend time with Brigid themes.
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