Those are all good and valid points.

Also, if you simply don't trust Ring to abide by the safeguards they claim to have in place, that's also valid.

Personally, I think having any camera that is connected to any sort of publicly available cloud is risky, because we've seen that the NSA has no problem hacking servers like that to increase their public surveillance network, and I have no doubt that the NSA would also help ICE in whatever crap they want to pull.

And if you don't want to use a Ring camera simply because they have any sort of agreement with Falcon, since Falcon is a terrible thing that shouldn't exist at all, that's also valid.

But it's important that we're not simply sharing rage bait without actually confirming the veracity of the statements first. The Trump regime and its allies use lies and misinformation to scare people into agreeing with them. It's important that we who oppose them don't use the same tactic.

So, we should be careful not to make up, or share unsubstantiated claims like "Every Ring camera is a surveillance tool for ICE", which the evidence doesn't show.

Tell people the truth.

Tell people that Ring works with local law enforcement, who works with ICE, and it's possible that ICE could see your camera feed. And that Ring says that safeguards are in place to ensure that the feed is only shared with your permission, but that those safeguards might not be sufficient, and that, in your opinion, it's not worth taking the risk.

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I find it absurd that you blocked me for merely summarizing what the article said, and pointing out the relevant points that respond to your claim.

Not that you'll read this, since you blocked me.

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I think those of us on the other side, should strive to be better.

Couldn't agree more with this. If we're going to fight ignorance, we can't fight it with more ignorance. There are plenty of real terrible things happening for us to be upset about. We should be careful we're not making up fake terrible things to be mad about at well.

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which allows local law enforcement agencies to request video from Ring customers who use its Neighbors app

So, if a local law enforcement agency is collaborating with ICE, and the local cops request access to the video from the customer, and the customer uses Ring's Neighbors app, and the Ring user allows local cops to have access to their feed, then, yes, ICE can see it.

But no, according to all verifiable information, having a Ring camera doesn't automatically mean ICE can spy on your video feed.

If you don't want to use the camera on principle because Flock is terrible (they are), and local cops shouldn't give ICE access to their surveillance network (they shouldn't), that's totally valid.

But don't just make stuff up.

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