@artemis @firestorm @CrimethInc
i like Firestorm. i've visited and bought books from them.

can't see their posts anymore, though. not sure why, maybe they're auto-deleted or follower-only, maybe i'm blocked

@PedestrianError @artemis
yeah there's definitely something to how giving something it's own name and hashtag captures the meaning in some way.

i was trying to refer to that with my comments

@artemis

for me it's hard to separate or differentiate between what is cultural vs social vs political.

if someone spoke out against abuse the year before MeToo, is that part of MeToo? if someone else tries to hold someone accountable for abuse in 2026 but doesn't associate it with MeToo, is it still MeToo?

i'm not discounting it as a cultural movement, just saying it's involved with existing things like feminism and anti-authoritarianism.

@artemis
same as with BLM

Black people and others believed that Black Lives Matter before there was a hashtag. there were movements that were motivated by that belief that pre-date the hashtag, the official orgs, or the internet

the fight against white supremacy isn't limited to BLM and the online aspects or even those orgs don't determine whether the fight is won or lost

@artemis

i guess that's kinda what i'm saying

the aims of MeToo associated with online activism and discourse exist far beyond the limits of attention to what happened in media and online spaces

the hashtag put a name to something that was already happening and continues on. it was named online and then had effects in real life

but the movement against abuse already was there. it's not limited to MeToo or whatever happens under that name

@artemis
i'm not sure a hashtag social movement could ever succeed except in very limited, specified terms

MeToo is part of a very old resistance against patriarchy, misogyny, and abuse

the movement for truth and accountability is eternal

@skinnylatte
requesting Abraham Lincoln Brigades would be another story

@inthehands
vibes are a type of fact - dependent on how we define them

the most basic understanding of vibes is sound vibrations. every sound has a frequency and resonance.

what will come of the resonance remains to be seen.

once people feel a wave we have an opportunity to influence others as to the significance of the waves and what moves should be next in response.