@scottjenson I don't see much wiggle-room for improvement if it is not clear how it works under the hood.

Ideally encryption feels almost imperceptible, and needs a mere indication on the side, but I guess the UX work won't be to GET THERE – but is to make the emerging pain points more bearable.

I think the UX you would want to improve is connected more with the FEP itself than any UI concerns. Depending on what they come up with you'll be free to do what you want – or deal with strange constraints. (Key handling seems to be the arch enemy of UX in encryption if you ask me :P)

@scottjenson also dealing with encrypted chat inside the browser is extra spicy. I'd love to see people seriously tackling that, but I remain reserved.

@scottjenson I'm pessimistic up to the point where you have to have to assume it will fail completely. Just as XMPP and MAIL failed.

The only encryption implementation with success were the approaches where the UX can be controlled centrally.

For MAIL there is #autocrypt now, it is astonishing how good it is – but email is still not encypted today.

XMPP/Jabber has OMEMO, but stillt struggles with client adoption and it isn't omnipresent.

Where it worked: #DeltaChat and #Signal both using a central library that can make sure encryption reliably lands at peoples fingertips.

@scottjenson Interesting, seeing how other protocols got burned by adding encryption as an afterthought (XMPP, MAIL) I think we are still very very far away from having something comprehensive, reliable and usable. Unless that's a reality I'd shy away from promoting it unnecessarily loud. ‍️

Encryption rocks though. I hope that FEP has lots of traction.

@scottjenson Don't really need encryption just for the DM edge-case. I only need to know where/for who exactly my message will pop up automatically, though.

Suggesting "encryption" exists in mastodon, how can one make sure it is interoperable with ActivityPub AND nobody gets it wrong and falsely assumes encryption is omnipresent, when it is absolutely not.

@cwebber I see what you did there! So egoistic . You know you would be among the biggest recipients of thanks If that got boosted. I feel tricked.

*boost*