@dansup Also, I'm sorry, I have to ask - but how many independent services do you think atproto has right now? Because it's not just a handful, as you're making it out to be.

@thisismissem @evan

@dansup So ActivityPub needed VC money, too?

Btw, Fediverse Threads is in maintenance mode and is one-way, basically RSS with likes, so are we going to even consider it a part of the ecosystem at this point?

@thisismissem @evan

@evan @dansup There are brilliant developers who were building in between the two spaces who decided it wasn't worth the hate they were receiving. If you want, I can share how much hate I get for bridging, and the mass majority comes from this side of the ecosystem, I just continue on because I believe in the mission.

It's a culture problem, and you two have the power to help change that.

@evan @dansup The number of developers and communities who've been pushed out of the Fedi because of this elitist mentality should be alarming to any builder in this space. Are we ever going to learn to do better, or are we going to continue pushing more people away?

The vibes aren't good, Evan, and I really hope you're aware of that, because vibes make or break a community.

@evan @dansup I'm not gaslighting anyone, Evan, and I would hope that you would know me better than that after our conversations.

You can throw stones back at the Fedi's bet around Meta and all the other companies that promised ActivityPub integration but never delivered. What are we even doing here?

@evan @dansup What's hurt it more is not working together on a unified strategy and putting up walls every time there's a chance to do so.

There are folks on the atproto side who have shown an intent to bridge with services like Pixelfed and Loops, *including* adding the logo on the posts to help promote services. We can either move together, or we can continue to push each other away and fall to trillion-dollar companies building their own ecosystems, some of whom the Fedi bet the farm on.

@sunnythesheep I'm not talking about Bluesky, I'm talking about atproto, which now includes a variety of services, many of which have no connection to Bluesky with their tech stack.

@dansup This is such a miscommunication of what's happening. Happy to chat with you about it sometime, but I highly recommend not taking a billionaire's word over what that ecosystem is and what it's meant to be.

@dansup We're stronger together, Dan. It's not worth throwing stones.

https://mastodon.social/@quillmatiq/116086475406267968

@flaviusflavius Getting non-committal (I actually think bridging is a form of committing, but I digress) isn't a conversation around consent. I think that if you're replying to or mentioning someone, they have the right to respond.

As far as a slippery slope - we've been very clear since the founding of A New Social about never auto-bridging anyone on Bridgy Fed. We've specifically designed this feature so that the unbridged user is not exposed to the bridge.

@rosewsgf To preserve privacy, we don't "look" at any posts/profiles that don't directly engage with the bridge. While that may be a popular ask (it's actually less popular than this one!), it's not in our jurisdiction, unfortunately.

@flaviusflavius may I ask why you feel this violates consent? We embed the post and don't pull it into any of our systems. Only the ActivityPub actor can engage with the post on the Fediverse, and no one in the other ecosystem can see it on their native platform.

@luca Yes, Bridgy Fed is compatible with any PDS as long as they haven't explicitly done something to block it!

Really excited to see more hosting options for The Atmosphere, and I've been looking forward to this one for a while

via https://bsky.app/profile/ivansigal.eurosky.social/post/3me27yledvc2r

Eurosky PDSes have arrived, and you can register to migrate/create your Atmosphere account now!

https://www.eurosky.tech/register

@Techaltar Lack of nuance? On the internet??

@BrennpunktUA it's not a 1-1, but this almost akin to someone starting their Mastodon instance with the default Mastodon codebase, then customizing it from there. Everyone starts somewhere!

@darnell @ricci

@BrennpunktUA they have a fork of the Bsky social-app client codebase, and from what it looks like they're still using the Bsky AppView in the backend. That said, their users are on their own PDSes, which is the most important aspect of data ownership for users.

AppViews take time to build, and most new projects start with Bsky's client to get an easy jumpstart to test features out.

@darnell @ricci

@martinvermeer Not today, but stay tuned for next week

@mayintoronto @mcc

@mayintoronto No - Bridgy Fed supports any ATProto PDS, including the ones run by Blacksky

@mcc