@jlink @dtemme Cannot compute. Gonna put my head in a bucket.

@dtemme I don’t get it either. Major despair.

@dtemme Maybe that’s it. It’s not just that fast fashion, and fast programming, is bad. It’s that no one is arguing fast fashion is actually great and we should be doing way more of it. But for programming, there are so many people saying exactly this.

@dtemme Is it because most of these takes are in bad faith?

Because it’s definitely not in good faith when you ignore negative externalities (climate, etc.), power differential, the abuse required to make the product (model-training sweatshops)…

If anything, I think that one of the crimes here is that we technology people mostly ignored all this when it was in other fields, e.g. fast fashion.

@dtemme @bodil @janl Old is good. It means you made it this far.

@adrian I think there’s both! (I hope there’s both.)

@sanityinc @lizzy Ron Jeffries is still one of my heroes, indeed.

@bodil @janl Oh yeah, I had forgotten when RMS and ESR were on my list, it’s been so long.

I’m impressed you managed to avoid finding more TBH!

@janl I’m learning it for the third or fourth time. Let’s see if it sticks!

It is hard, and I’m sorry.

@romeu Yeah, that’s it, it was an illusion. I can appreciate their past work, their writing, whatever, without putting them on a daïs.

A lesson I will learn over and over again, no doubt!

I’m sorry for your losses too. They’re in our heads, but they’re still real.

@thirstybear Yeah, I am not writing these people off, but I am disappointed.

@RosaCtrl Fuck yeah!

@lizzy There are some good ones. They’re typically the ones who actually ship code!

And then there’s Anil Dash, who up until last year, I worshipped.

I think the thing that makes me saddest about this whole “use an LLM to generate code” thing is that many of my heroes are no longer my heroes.

@pa28 I think it’s part of a larger pattern of journalists forgetting how to ask even the most basic of questions, like “What is the motivation for this?” and “What happens afterwards?”

@MatthieuLemerre I am all in favour of porting C and C++ to Rust! If the maintainers want to. And as you say, if not, there are tools to check safety, which should be wielded by knowledgeable maintainers. Otherwise you end up with the Ubuntu OpenSSL debacle.

@Stefan_S_from_H I translated some C to Rust recently. I used the unsafe keyword a lot. I don’t think this made it more safe.

@mkoek Nope. It’s the same everywhere. And I can’t fault it; it can take between “months” and “never” for a dependency to arrive as a Debian package. (And sometimes you do need an exact version.)

I personally like nixpkgs as a solution to this, but it’s a big change for most people.

@alextecplayz @gpcureton Fucking hell.

I bet they make a lot of money from this bullshit, and it produces exactly zero useful pieces of software.

@RosaCtrl It hasn’t changed since earlier!