drama!
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@benroyce
You do get that the word abuse itself is a memory trigger for abused people who don't like to be triggered by some news - no matter how valid or important it is?
If you get that, you understand that CW isn't there to censor, but to be nice and to make life better for certain people. That's part of why people use the Fediverse and don't use Twitter.and likewise you understand #triggerwarning the abuse of fascists only serves as censorship of fascist abuse and therefore only benefits fascism
i would be a monster if i said gore should not be #TW #contentwarning #CW
and you would be serving monsters if you ask that nongore news of the terrors of #fascism be hidden
we demonstrate *appropriate* sensitivity
and some calls for sensitivity are absurd, and possibly even a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
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@benroyce are you calling out people who don't have the spoons to deal with all of this?
I myself am a highly sensitive person and I agree that things need to be talked about... but everything that's been happening already formulated a most grotesque pattern spanning centuries, perhaps longer and we need to break that pattern and fight back against it rather than just saying "hey this happened to that person" and lack of accountability doesn't help, though I never saw the post you referred to.
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@benroyce what "law enforcement" did there was completely unnecessary and ties right back into the human rights violations I mentioned...
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there's more CW topics than just gore and porn
strobe effects are not good for people with certain seizure conditions for example
do we censor a picture of a creepy spider?
and if some people want to content warn *their* posts on levels of sensitivity you and i might consider absurd: that's ok, it's their post, their choice
where i step in and speak out though is when people gatekeep other posters on content that is not straight gore or porn or the other serious niche topics
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@benroyce what "law enforcement" did there was completely unnecessary and ties right back into the human rights violations I mentioned...
What I mentioned here is adds the layers that have actually made me physically sick:
https://4bear.com/@magicalleatherbear/116106609791477917It all stems from patterns of human rights abuses... many modernized in contemporary times too.
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@benroyce what "law enforcement" did there was completely unnecessary and ties right back into the human rights violations I mentioned...
and you can see me in the replies angry at people calling for a CW on the post
we *need* to get the word out. that overrules some sensitivities that are far from the standard boilerplate sensitivities that absolutely call for a CW
in fact i would think that people who have been victims of police brutality, whatever their sensitivity to such content, would agree with us that that is the right approach
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What I mentioned here is adds the layers that have actually made me physically sick:
https://4bear.com/@magicalleatherbear/116106609791477917It all stems from patterns of human rights abuses... many modernized in contemporary times too.
yeah
exposure to sadistic brutality emboldens resistance to it... up to a point
past that it merely desensitizes and imparts a sense of helplessness
it's a tricky line
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yeah
exposure to sadistic brutality emboldens resistance to it... up to a point
past that it merely desensitizes and imparts a sense of helplessness
it's a tricky line
@benroyce indeed!!! I saw your messages and I agree with a lot of what you said.... that being said were you aware of Greg Palast's documentary on Vigilantes Inc? Millions of people were purged from voter roles for no reason
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@benroyce indeed!!! I saw your messages and I agree with a lot of what you said.... that being said were you aware of Greg Palast's documentary on Vigilantes Inc? Millions of people were purged from voter roles for no reason
and THAT must be broadcast with a megaphone
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and THAT must be broadcast with a megaphone
I tried but nobody said anything about it.
https://4bear.com/@magicalleatherbear/116080541595793999
What happened in 2024 Trump is of course trying to do again.
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@benroyce@mastodon.social
Mhm. I see your point and I am not saying you are wrong because I wanna ponder this a bit. But I wanna offer a counter argument to see what you think about it.
We don't know what may cause people problems.
I have a common phobia for example, but less common than arachnophobia. People sometimes posts spiders with cw. People never post the thing I'm afraid of with cw.
To them the thing is harmless, they don't even think that someone had to quickly look away and scroll the page down. They don't know they likely caused nightmares and worse sleep than usual.
To a victim of abuse maybe even reading about a topic is enough.
Your point of CW as a fascism tool to kinda censor things is an interesting one though.i would reply with:
some topics are cut and dry obvious CW topics
but some topics are only triggering for some, some topics for a few, and some topics for vanishingly few
and so the question is where we draw the line
and it is simply a matter that we can draw the line at the wrong spot, in either direction
such that there is no clear answer, it is a large grey area. and it all depends on intricacies of context and intent and the exact nature of the content
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I tried but nobody said anything about it.
https://4bear.com/@magicalleatherbear/116080541595793999
What happened in 2024 Trump is of course trying to do again.
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drama!
i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep
i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story
i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
certainly some are sincere
but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable
gore? absolutely CW
but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast
@benroyce If you look through mainstream news photo annuals from WWII to the 1970s, or Life magazine, it’s astonishing how much gore they printed. Our contemporary media has protected society from the real violence of everyday life as well as war. Instead, we have a cartoon or video game understanding of what real,violence entails.
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@benroyce If you look through mainstream news photo annuals from WWII to the 1970s, or Life magazine, it’s astonishing how much gore they printed. Our contemporary media has protected society from the real violence of everyday life as well as war. Instead, we have a cartoon or video game understanding of what real,violence entails.
i completely agree
we should be sensitive to people with content warnings
but some calls for CW are fucking absurd
and i suspect some of them are a manipulation tactic to hide fascist abuses. and if not, then some people need to understand that that is the only effect of their desires
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i would reply with:
some topics are cut and dry obvious CW topics
but some topics are only triggering for some, some topics for a few, and some topics for vanishingly few
and so the question is where we draw the line
and it is simply a matter that we can draw the line at the wrong spot, in either direction
such that there is no clear answer, it is a large grey area. and it all depends on intricacies of context and intent and the exact nature of the content
@benroyce@mastodon.social
Yeah I agree. A thing I say about this topic is what do we do? Do we content warning everything because there's potential triggers everywhere? Do we cw only some stuff, leaving some to unfairly deal with their phobia/trauma? Or do we stop using cw completely?
I think, the way things are now we have no good tools for this.
The built in cw tool is the stuff one would use for graphic things you don't wanna risk opening around people (boobies, corpses...) But we need a solid system that allow us to post stuff and let people filter what they don't want to see.
Example, if I post a spider I could avoid adding a cw, but I could add a hashtag and people with arachnophobia could have a filter than removes spiders from their timeline.
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@benroyce@mastodon.social
Yeah I agree. A thing I say about this topic is what do we do? Do we content warning everything because there's potential triggers everywhere? Do we cw only some stuff, leaving some to unfairly deal with their phobia/trauma? Or do we stop using cw completely?
I think, the way things are now we have no good tools for this.
The built in cw tool is the stuff one would use for graphic things you don't wanna risk opening around people (boobies, corpses...) But we need a solid system that allow us to post stuff and let people filter what they don't want to see.
Example, if I post a spider I could avoid adding a cw, but I could add a hashtag and people with arachnophobia could have a filter than removes spiders from their timeline.
But I'm going off topic here.no you're not going off topic, appropriate hashtagging is absolutely necessary for this grey zone
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drama!
i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep
i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story
i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
certainly some are sincere
but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable
gore? absolutely CW
but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast
@benroyce I think there is nuance here around where we go for news. Some people come to fedi just to play with their friends, they receive their news from other places and share links with friends and family via signal. Sharing something without a content warning because "everyone needs to see this" implies that everyone isn't already reading the news in other places, putting us a savior/beacon for distributing news that is readily available everywhere. We are aware of the horrors, very very very aware, we are building momentum of revolution. And sometimes we just need a breather from the horrors because the horrors invade every single point of our lives. I do post about #uspol because I want to be a part of the conversations and I want to find other people who align in the revolution. Fighting over how we disseminate information is not going to bring more people to greater awareness. We also need spaces of softness and whimsy to keep us grounded in the tender possibilities of what CAN be built when we aren't lost in the madness of it all.
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no you're not going off topic, appropriate hashtagging is absolutely necessary for this grey zone
@benroyce@mastodon.social
I've been saying it for a while but it's not something people hear me out about and often tell me it's not the way to go.
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@benroyce I think there is nuance here around where we go for news. Some people come to fedi just to play with their friends, they receive their news from other places and share links with friends and family via signal. Sharing something without a content warning because "everyone needs to see this" implies that everyone isn't already reading the news in other places, putting us a savior/beacon for distributing news that is readily available everywhere. We are aware of the horrors, very very very aware, we are building momentum of revolution. And sometimes we just need a breather from the horrors because the horrors invade every single point of our lives. I do post about #uspol because I want to be a part of the conversations and I want to find other people who align in the revolution. Fighting over how we disseminate information is not going to bring more people to greater awareness. We also need spaces of softness and whimsy to keep us grounded in the tender possibilities of what CAN be built when we aren't lost in the madness of it all.
that is very well said
i would respond that the mode of how we use social media or mastodon as you describe is valid, but you're not describing the only valid approach
and the solution to that is unfollowing/ blocking those accounts that stand very far away from your own intent in such a way it impedes your enjoyment
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@benroyce@mastodon.social
I've been saying it for a while but it's not something people hear me out about and often tell me it's not the way to go.
It's refreshing to find someone who agrees with me on this.
