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  • draeathD draeath

    @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog I don't think that phrase allows for incompetency in design. The purpose is what was intended, not what actually results. There is a distinction.

    AzuaronA This user is from outside of this forum
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    Azuaron
    wrote last edited by
    #76

    @draeath @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog If it was an accident, or incompetence, then it would be rapidly corrected.

    If it's not rapidly corrected, then it is the purpose.

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    • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

      Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

      I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

      So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

      https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

      As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

      Mal 甄/kalessin/PeriP This user is from outside of this forum
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      Mal 甄/kalessin/Peri
      wrote last edited by
      #77

      @GossiTheDog @deliberately_me oh goodie. Our global repository has been compromised by a worm.

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      • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

        Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

        I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

        So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

        https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

        As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

        synlogic4242S This user is from outside of this forum
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        synlogic4242
        wrote last edited by
        #78

        @GossiTheDog loltears. ie. fools suffer consequences of being fools, but at scale

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        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

          Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

          I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

          So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

          https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

          As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

          Eddy JanssonE This user is from outside of this forum
          Eddy JanssonE This user is from outside of this forum
          Eddy Jansson
          wrote last edited by
          #79

          @GossiTheDog Fortunately, I can choose to not engage.

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          • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

            Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

            I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

            So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

            https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

            As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

            Todd KnarrT This user is from outside of this forum
            Todd KnarrT This user is from outside of this forum
            Todd Knarr
            wrote last edited by
            #80

            @GossiTheDog I think @timbray might be interested in that too.

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            • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

              Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

              I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

              So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

              https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

              As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

              G This user is from outside of this forum
              G This user is from outside of this forum
              Atomic Orbitals
              wrote last edited by
              #81

              @GossiTheDog Not just bad vibes, but the *same* bad vibes repeated endlessly!

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              • C64WhizC C64Whiz

                @GossiTheDog

                Makes me wonder if this is a effort by "closed source" to disrupt/poison/discredit open source? 🤔

                KiernianK This user is from outside of this forum
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                Kiernian
                wrote last edited by
                #82

                @c64whiz @GossiTheDog
                This was honestly my first thought.

                The vast majority of the tv-news-watching public barely understands computers as it is through no real fault of their own as they have been spoonfed "magic and mystery" since the dialup days.

                The distinction of "open source = MORE dangerous than big company software" would be very easy for a front of united major media outlets owned by a handful rich folks to spread and most people will not be equipped to tell facts from misinformation.

                How well have those open source legal protections been working against the "smart TV" industry? I'd bet every TV holding shelf I hit at Wal-Mart will be stocked with misappropriated GPL code and no source distribution.

                This is the same tactic major corps use to obtain IP for themselves.

                Lock up the originator in tedious, costly busywork (typically legal, claiming infringement to start a costly time-consuming trial, for most corps) and then when the originator can't handle it and collapse under the weight of it all, the corps take the product as their own.

                Tying up repos with vulnerabilities that might not get noticed just might work out well for the major software outfits in the long run.

                It's reprehensible and a little more haphazard, but it sure looks awfully familiar.

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                • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                  Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                  I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                  So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                  https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                  As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                  Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                  Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                  Steve Hersey
                  wrote last edited by
                  #83

                  @GossiTheDog
                  Aaaahhh!
                  Who is giving clankers commit privileges to their repositories? Seems like an obvious failure of project management.

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                  • Keith LawsonK Keith Lawson

                    @GossiTheDog This was literally the first major security mistake I made in my early days as a Perl developer and I don't imagine it's that uncommon. Claude has probably been trained with a truckload of code with these vulnerabilities.

                    That's okay because we run everything in single-purpose Docker containers now though, right? /s

                    Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Steve Hersey
                    wrote last edited by
                    #84

                    @keith_lawson @GossiTheDog

                    I keep pointing out to my coworkers that these clankers are trained on StackOverflow posts that contain code examples followed by "here's what I wrote, why doesn't it work?"

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                    • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                      Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                      I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                      So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                      https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                      As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                      crypticrainfallC This user is from outside of this forum
                      crypticrainfallC This user is from outside of this forum
                      crypticrainfall
                      wrote last edited by
                      #85

                      This is just starting to sound like a cyber attack.

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                      • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                        Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                        I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                        So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                        https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                        As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                        gmooreG This user is from outside of this forum
                        gmooreG This user is from outside of this forum
                        gmoore
                        wrote last edited by
                        #86

                        @GossiTheDog This kind of basic stuff is easily caught by any free static analysis tool. There's no excuse to not be running one in one's repo, vibe-coded or not.

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                        • BrianD Brian

                          @da_667 @GossiTheDog I wish that juice actually existed...

                          crazyeddieC This user is from outside of this forum
                          crazyeddieC This user is from outside of this forum
                          crazyeddie
                          wrote last edited by
                          #87

                          @Drat @da_667 @GossiTheDog It does. In the form I was really fond of it's $50 per 750 ml and makes you say stupid shit like, "GASP...that's really smooth...." and then shove your head up your ass.

                          But I'm actually sick to death of that kind of oblivion. The shit I have to unsee just keeps adding up as does the shame of letting shit pass by unopposed.

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                          • crazyeddieC crazyeddie

                            @Drat @da_667 @GossiTheDog It does. In the form I was really fond of it's $50 per 750 ml and makes you say stupid shit like, "GASP...that's really smooth...." and then shove your head up your ass.

                            But I'm actually sick to death of that kind of oblivion. The shit I have to unsee just keeps adding up as does the shame of letting shit pass by unopposed.

                            Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B This user is from outside of this forum
                            Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B This user is from outside of this forum
                            Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
                            wrote last edited by
                            #88

                            @crazyeddie @Drat @da_667 @GossiTheDog

                            strangely poetic

                            and absolutely true

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                            • Steve HerseyN Steve Hersey

                              @GossiTheDog
                              Aaaahhh!
                              Who is giving clankers commit privileges to their repositories? Seems like an obvious failure of project management.

                              crazyeddieC This user is from outside of this forum
                              crazyeddieC This user is from outside of this forum
                              crazyeddie
                              wrote last edited by
                              #89

                              @n1xnx @GossiTheDog Especially earlier in my career, I could easily have been taken in by thinking I'm getting actual help from a "friend" who wants to join me on the project and I'd have not really looked into it too much.

                              A lot of these projects are just peoples' hobbies that blow up...you know, or fail to. When they do blow up the developer(s) can end up severely overworked and frankly inexperienced for dealing with the management part.

                              So yeah...this is going to be a disaster.

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                              • fuzzyfuzzyfungusF fuzzyfuzzyfungus

                                @draeath @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog That's what amazes me about the "hallucinated citations" stories. Making bots not hallucinate is certainly not readily feasible, quite possible infeasible in practice; but just checking citations one at a time for existence would have been cutting edge in maybe the 1960s. Why is anyone skipping such trivial cleanup steps when using a known-unreliable tool?

                                F This user is from outside of this forum
                                F This user is from outside of this forum
                                Fooker
                                wrote last edited by
                                #90

                                @fuzzyfuzzyfungus is the question not more "why is anyone using such unreliable tools in the first place?" They've proven time and time again that the result is less than sub par, they create as many if not more issues than they fix, they've fucked up ram prices and soon storage prices, they use too much energy.. i could go on but fuck, if that's not enough i don't know what to say.

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                                • crazyeddieC crazyeddie

                                  @n1xnx @GossiTheDog Especially earlier in my career, I could easily have been taken in by thinking I'm getting actual help from a "friend" who wants to join me on the project and I'd have not really looked into it too much.

                                  A lot of these projects are just peoples' hobbies that blow up...you know, or fail to. When they do blow up the developer(s) can end up severely overworked and frankly inexperienced for dealing with the management part.

                                  So yeah...this is going to be a disaster.

                                  Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Steve Hersey
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #91

                                  @crazyeddie @GossiTheDog
                                  Sigh. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

                                  I remember reading commentary back in the 1980s to the effect that automating a (business) process doesn't make it BETTER, it just makes its existing failure modes happen FASTER, often with the result that the humans who were able to cope with those failures when they came at a human rate are now overwhelmed by them occurring at the speed of computer processing.

                                  It was true then for paper-based accounting, and it's true now for collaborative software projects.

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                                  • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                                    Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                                    I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                                    So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                                    https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                                    As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                                    scyS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    scyS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    scy
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #92

                                    @GossiTheDog But think about the AI-powered "security researchers". They can now use their AI models to find these vulnerabilities and create 8.2 severity issues to fix it again.

                                    It's like that picture with the circular economy between Nvidia and OpenAI and Microsoft, but with 0days!

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                                    • vlkrV vlkr

                                      @GossiTheDog https://github.com/claude right now showing "Something went wrong, please refresh the page to try again." Yeah, dude.

                                      crazyeddieC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      crazyeddie
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #93

                                      @vlkr @GossiTheDog I get the same behavior here and can go to other profiles just fine 😛

                                      No public repos. Something went wrong.

                                      I guess it could just be that I picked a particularly irrelevant profile to compare against but it did show up just fine without any error.

                                      Could also be that it's too sudden a shift in interest in that particular user.

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                                      • da_667D da_667

                                        @GossiTheDog what's funny to me, is that there were influencers on linkedin a few days ago claiming claudecode could find vulnerabilities in code faster than humans, and they're like "look at all these openssl vulns it found!" now I'm like. "well no shit its finding vulnerabilities, when its the one introducing them."

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                                        Ray—Golden Retriever Whisperer—🔝Insights
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #94

                                        @da_667 @GossiTheDog and I’ve been seeing several posts in the past 48 hours that say that A”I” vuln scanners aren’t finding most of them.

                                        Almost makes me wonder if there’s a two-pronged attack here. Introduce them and ignore them.

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                                        • da_667D da_667

                                          @GossiTheDog ladies and gentlemen, it's this stupid shit (tm) that we are paying up the ass for new SSDs and RAM for.

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                                          Ray—Golden Retriever Whisperer—🔝Insights
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #95

                                          @da_667 @GossiTheDog I have 5 500MB HDDs that are now probably worth thousands.

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