I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

#matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

@ggrey care to explain how this works? when i register i get a [hash]@[relaydomain] and i can take that identifier to another relay? does the @[relaydomain] change then? just curious how it works

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@ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

#matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

#matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

@ggrey @delta I had high hopes for Matrix, but it seems to be built on a very rickety, over-complex foundation. Several years later, it hasn't improved. I far prefer Delta Chat.

@nathanael

You register with one relay. That's your entry point which gives you encryption keys, stored on your device. Then the random email address created on registration doesn't matter anymore. Your keys do. And so even if you register with another relay, it's still your keys that do the job and guarantee your identity, not the random email address. Hope I got this right, I'm not a developer, just a random advanced user

@ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

#matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

@ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

@ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change

@fluidlogic

I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends

@vmaurin @ggrey adding multiple relays seems to protect from one relay going rogue. but this seems to be an advanced feature

@ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

#matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

@ggrey @delta I had no idea how to configure multiple relays in DeltaChat. Now I have the primary one where I created my account and nine.testrun.org, which is the most "stable" one as far as I understand.

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

#matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

@ggrey

Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

@noctilua

If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber

@ggrey

Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.