I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.

nathanael

@ggrey care to explain how this works? when i register i get a [hash]@[relaydomain] and i can take that identifier to another relay? does the @[relaydomain] change then? just curious how it works

cc @delta

DIRT WIZARD

@ggrey @delta I think its ease of use and simplicity is why so many people on Mastodon want to argue about it. A certain kind of tech person will never forgive a software technology for not needing them. Delta actually works. And I would put Matrix in the "doesn't really work" category compared to Delta.

lps

@ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

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@nathanael

You register with one relay. That's your entry point which gives you encryption keys, stored on your device. Then the random email address created on registration doesn't matter anymore. Your keys do. And so even if you register with another relay, it's still your keys that do the job and guarantee your identity, not the random email address. Hope I got this right, I'm not a developer, just a random advanced user

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@lps

Here they are

https://chatmail.at/relays

ikuturso

@ggrey @delta it's just different degrees of decentralization. It's not a binary.

Amin Girasol

@ggrey @delta I had high hopes for Matrix, but it seems to be built on a very rickety, over-complex foundation. Several years later, it hasn't improved. I far prefer Delta Chat.

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@fluidlogic

I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends

vmaurin

@ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change

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@vmaurin @nathanael

That's evolving my friend. Stay tuned

Abbas Davarpanah عباس داورپناه

@ggrey @delta

You're absolutely right, and you're not wrong.

Delta Chat

@lps @ggrey https://chatmail.at/relays is a good initial list

nathanael

@vmaurin @ggrey adding multiple relays seems to protect from one relay going rogue. but this seems to be an advanced feature

Amin Girasol

@ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!

G̸u̸a̸l̸t̸i̸e̸r̸o̸

@nathanael @vmaurin it may be right now, but Delta Chat is still in its early stages (well, that's a statement )

Think about what WhatsApp was when it was first available.

Delta Chat hasn't got the VC money WhatsApp and other apps had in the past, and they are doing a great job in under promising and over delivering

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@fluidlogic you're welcome

toto

@ggrey @delta I had no idea how to configure multiple relays in DeltaChat. Now I have the primary one where I created my account and nine.testrun.org, which is the most "stable" one as far as I understand.

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@toto

Add more my friend

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@ggrey

Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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@noctilua

If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber