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  3. As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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  • Will GlynnW Will Glynn

    @garius Every once in a while, an Oracle-related salesperson emails me asking to schedule a meeting, usually to pitch me something from a subsidiary. I reply:

    "I know better than to become an Oracle customer."

    The older salespeople just silently remove me from their list, but I've also had younger salespeople ask me to explain. I always do. Each time I've genuinely been the first person who's explained why someone might specifically wish to _not_ have a business relationship with Oracle.

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    @garius This goes the other way too: Oracle bought Dyn Inc and we immediately prioritized a migration away. Our account rep couldn't understand: "nothing changed!" "We've been a happy Dyn customer for years, but I can't risk doing business with Oracle. It's time to go."

    We left on our terms, and of course then they killed the platform and laid everyone off, because Oracle's gonna Oracle.

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    • John BullG John Bull

      As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

      Attorney Pat WeberP This user is from outside of this forum
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      @garius The technology changes. The Oracle experience remains timeless.

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      • John BullG John Bull

        As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

        Ericka SimoneE This user is from outside of this forum
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        Ericka Simone
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        @garius it’s like 1999 all over again

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        • John BullG John Bull

          As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

          Tor Iver WilhelmsenT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #15

          @garius Everyone in the IT industry has at least one Oracle story. Mine is that Sun Microsystems won an intranet contract with us using their Portal and app-server. Right after this Oracle bought them and killed both products. The Sun rep recommended we switch to Liferay (which also supported Java portlets) but that did not scale at all… Some of the other Sun products escaped into Forgerock (OpenIDM, OpenAM and OpenDS) luckily.

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          • John BullG John Bull

            As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

            Dave Wilburn :donor:D This user is from outside of this forum
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            @garius

            I fled the country 23 years ago to escape my role as an Oracle DBA.

            Never again.

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            • John BullG John Bull

              As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

              AntififaCyclista😀C This user is from outside of this forum
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              @garius I was studying for my SQL exams (Oracle DBA) on 9/11. Correlation does not mean causation, but...

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              • John BullG John Bull

                As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                Emma needs ☕️ and paying workE This user is from outside of this forum
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                #18

                @garius all these clowns about to find out Larry Ellison is yet another serial sexual abuser.

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                • John BullG John Bull

                  As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                  Dio9sysD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @garius
                  we should sell tiktok to Novell instead. What's the worst that could happen?

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                  • Tor Iver WilhelmsenT Tor Iver Wilhelmsen

                    @garius Everyone in the IT industry has at least one Oracle story. Mine is that Sun Microsystems won an intranet contract with us using their Portal and app-server. Right after this Oracle bought them and killed both products. The Sun rep recommended we switch to Liferay (which also supported Java portlets) but that did not scale at all… Some of the other Sun products escaped into Forgerock (OpenIDM, OpenAM and OpenDS) luckily.

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                    @toriver @garius

                    I am so very happy I left the Java trail of tears behind many years ago.

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                    • John BullG John Bull

                      As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                      @garius it might be time to go back and rewatch Brian Cantrill's "don't anthropomorphise Larry Ellison" talk

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                      • John BullG John Bull

                        As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                        lemgandiL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @garius And their flagship database is an enormous pile of Crap. Many people feed their families by knowing its quirks and difficulties, but I'd rather be productive.

                        To give you just one example: Oracle SQL HAS NO BOOLEAN DATA TYPE. The official recommendation is to use a 1 char field. What goes into that? Well, who knows? "Y/N" ? "y/n"? "O/N" if you're french? "1/0"?

                        In many shops, the result is supposedly boolean fields that contain 3, 5, even 7 different values. Yikes.

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                        • John BullG John Bull

                          As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                          @garius the LOLest moment of the last few years on LinkedIn was explaining to an Oracle sales rep how fucking shit the company was and their historical context for being assholes and him thanking me for the details that weren't clear to him and made his last year of conversations make a lot more sense

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                          • Dio9sysD Dio9sys

                            @garius
                            we should sell tiktok to Novell instead. What's the worst that could happen?

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                            @Dio9sys @garius Novell was bought by MicroFocus who (also had Attachmate but divested SUSE) and is now owned by of all companies, OpenText.

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                            • John BullG John Bull

                              As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                              Eric LiknessC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Eric Likness
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                              @garius@me.uk And I will never grow tired of Oxide and Friends live stream on Discord doing the occasional dunk on the master yachter, hisself.

                              Every time they dunk on Larry, an angel gets its wings.

                              @bcantrill @ahl

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                              • John BullG John Bull

                                As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                                Ronald AbadiR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                I disliked it when Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems. I disliked it when Oracle acquired MySQL. I disliked the dispute over Android and Java.

                                But, unpopular opinion here, over the years I have kind of really got used to the Oracle database, so yeah, a dilemma for me.

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                                • John BullG John Bull

                                  As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                                  @garius #facts

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                                  • Roger BW 😷R Roger BW 😷

                                    @garius Just got an all-staff email at the university: no new transactions (expenses, purchases, etc.) for a month while they set up some new Oracle thing. I sent them a message of condolence.

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                                    @RogerBW @garius The great thing about unis is that, as terrible as Oracle is, guaranteed it's still not the worst part of the information architecture.

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                                    • John BullG John Bull

                                      As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

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                                      @garius

                                      A product my employer used for a decade was bought out by oracle through another acquisition. Luckily the product was already sunset and there was only a six month overlap between EOL and the acquisition. Two years later we are still fighting bills incurred after EOL date. Sales order vs opportunities something or other. Trying to explain to CFO how Oracle is a money machine not a tech company made me sound like a crazy person. I think he is starting to get it now.

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                                      • John BullG John Bull

                                        As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                                        EndlessMasonE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @garius
                                        Something to talk about in the holidays

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                                        • John BullG John Bull

                                          As an older tech person, it's legit heartwarming watching the TikTok generation discover why we all hate Oracle.

                                          Owl EyesD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @garius See? Once in a loooong while, the laws of Kamma actually work in some discernible way.

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