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  3. This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

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  • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
    Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
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    This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

    Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
    Needless to say, I've stopped.

    Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
    #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

    * apparently, not all screenreaders.

    The only vegan in the villageR CarolynC E FlorianZ Eric LawtonE 8 Replies Last reply
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    • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

      This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

      Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
      Needless to say, I've stopped.

      Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
      #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

      * apparently, not all screenreaders.

      The only vegan in the villageR This user is from outside of this forum
      The only vegan in the villageR This user is from outside of this forum
      The only vegan in the village
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      #2

      @deborahh

      TOTALLY LOL 😁

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      • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

        This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

        Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
        Needless to say, I've stopped.

        Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
        #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

        * apparently, not all screenreaders.

        CarolynC This user is from outside of this forum
        CarolynC This user is from outside of this forum
        Carolyn
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        @deborahh Same with hashtags in the post. Save them for the end and consider being selective with them. Does ones really need a dozen of them?

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        • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

          This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

          Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
          Needless to say, I've stopped.

          Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
          #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

          * apparently, not all screenreaders.

          E This user is from outside of this forum
          E This user is from outside of this forum
          Epic Null
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          #4

          @deborahh I mean LOL as el-oh-el actually fits the intended meaning, at least.

          We do really need a screen reader for sited users though - there's way too much "know nothing about how our works are being interpreted until someone happens to complain" going on.

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          • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

            This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

            Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
            Needless to say, I've stopped.

            Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
            #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

            * apparently, not all screenreaders.

            FlorianZ This user is from outside of this forum
            FlorianZ This user is from outside of this forum
            Florian
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            @menelion @deborahh huh. What screen reader does that? Is this an iOS/Android thing?
            I'm a screen reader user myself and I don't think I've seen this happen all that often

            AndrΓ© PolykanineM Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D 2 Replies Last reply
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            • FlorianZ Florian

              @menelion @deborahh huh. What screen reader does that? Is this an iOS/Android thing?
              I'm a screen reader user myself and I don't think I've seen this happen all that often

              AndrΓ© PolykanineM This user is from outside of this forum
              AndrΓ© PolykanineM This user is from outside of this forum
              AndrΓ© Polykanine
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              @zersiax @deborahh I'm quiet here, because I use JAWS and I've seen it before maybe, but my hunch is that it depends on the TTS. I boosted though because I feel all caps is like yelling, also it adds burden for Braille display users.

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              • AndrΓ© PolykanineM AndrΓ© Polykanine

                @zersiax @deborahh I'm quiet here, because I use JAWS and I've seen it before maybe, but my hunch is that it depends on the TTS. I boosted though because I feel all caps is like yelling, also it adds burden for Braille display users.

                FlorianZ This user is from outside of this forum
                FlorianZ This user is from outside of this forum
                Florian
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                @menelion @deborahh I do use all caps to emphasize words in a sentence, as in "Why DO chickens cross the road?" but that's about it. All-capsing a whole entire post ... ehh ... I feel it looks like someone feels the need to scream but then, I don't mean to tone police either, just not my thing

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                • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                  This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

                  Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
                  Needless to say, I've stopped.

                  Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
                  #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

                  * apparently, not all screenreaders.

                  Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                  Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                  Eric Lawton
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                  @deborahh

                  My Android screenreader (Talkback) doesn't do that and it seems like a bad idea, so I wonder how many do?

                  It even read your last line as "lol remains L-O-L" πŸ˜€

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                  • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                    This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

                    Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
                    Needless to say, I've stopped.

                    Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
                    #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

                    * apparently, not all screenreaders.

                    queer as in fuck your bordersB This user is from outside of this forum
                    queer as in fuck your bordersB This user is from outside of this forum
                    queer as in fuck your borders
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                    #9

                    @deborahh All caps is also harder to read for people with various print disabilities. For partially sighted people and others, the shape of letters in words makes them much easier to read.

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                    • queer as in fuck your bordersB queer as in fuck your borders

                      @deborahh All caps is also harder to read for people with various print disabilities. For partially sighted people and others, the shape of letters in words makes them much easier to read.

                      Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                      Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                      Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦
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                      @bright_helpings oh! Thanks.

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                      • FlorianZ Florian

                        @menelion @deborahh I do use all caps to emphasize words in a sentence, as in "Why DO chickens cross the road?" but that's about it. All-capsing a whole entire post ... ehh ... I feel it looks like someone feels the need to scream but then, I don't mean to tone police either, just not my thing

                        Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                        Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                        Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦
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                        @zersiax @menelion I did it occasionally, when alttexting a meme with all caps.

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                        • FlorianZ Florian

                          @menelion @deborahh huh. What screen reader does that? Is this an iOS/Android thing?
                          I'm a screen reader user myself and I don't think I've seen this happen all that often

                          Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                          Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @zersiax @menelion I didn't ask. I could try to find out, if you want to know.

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                          • E Epic Null

                            @deborahh I mean LOL as el-oh-el actually fits the intended meaning, at least.

                            We do really need a screen reader for sited users though - there's way too much "know nothing about how our works are being interpreted until someone happens to complain" going on.

                            Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                            Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                            Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦
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                            @Epic_Null oh, like those websites that let us test a web page for colour-blind accessibility? It certainly should exist, if it does not!

                            So-called AI is being used so frivolously. But this sounds like a good usecase for machine intelligence!

                            Hey, chatbot: is this page accessible?

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                            • CarolynC Carolyn

                              @deborahh Same with hashtags in the post. Save them for the end and consider being selective with them. Does ones really need a dozen of them?

                              Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                              Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                              Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦
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                              @CStamp I try to limit hashtags, but sometimes they are needed to help folks filter.

                              What do the youngs say?
                              "6 7"?

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                              • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                                @Epic_Null oh, like those websites that let us test a web page for colour-blind accessibility? It certainly should exist, if it does not!

                                So-called AI is being used so frivolously. But this sounds like a good usecase for machine intelligence!

                                Hey, chatbot: is this page accessible?

                                E This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Epic Null
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                                #15

                                @deborahh I would argue this is a TERRIBLE place for machine intellegence.

                                The question being asked also should not be "Is this page accessable". It should be "What is the user's experience like, and how can I adjust it to be closer to what I envisioned?"

                                This means things like helping you to understand how easily you can enter into and escape navigation menus, what each photo "looks" like when the screen reader focuses on it, and how updating elements interact with the screen reader. There's also "Where in this tree is the footer? Can it be accessed? If so, when?"

                                Sure, some of these are just "good design choices", but a lot of it will be influenced by the experience we actually want to provide.

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                                • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                                  @CStamp I try to limit hashtags, but sometimes they are needed to help folks filter.

                                  What do the youngs say?
                                  "6 7"?

                                  CarolynC This user is from outside of this forum
                                  CarolynC This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Carolyn
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                                  #16

                                  @deborahh Oh, hashtags help some navigate around here. They should be used thoughtfully.

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                                  • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                                    This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

                                    Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
                                    Needless to say, I've stopped.

                                    Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
                                    #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

                                    * apparently, not all screenreaders.

                                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Ray McCarthy
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                                    @deborahh
                                    That's why we write Nasa but NATO.

                                    That's expected behaviour otherwise the screen reader needs a ginormous dictionary.

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                                    • E Epic Null

                                      @deborahh I would argue this is a TERRIBLE place for machine intellegence.

                                      The question being asked also should not be "Is this page accessable". It should be "What is the user's experience like, and how can I adjust it to be closer to what I envisioned?"

                                      This means things like helping you to understand how easily you can enter into and escape navigation menus, what each photo "looks" like when the screen reader focuses on it, and how updating elements interact with the screen reader. There's also "Where in this tree is the footer? Can it be accessed? If so, when?"

                                      Sure, some of these are just "good design choices", but a lot of it will be influenced by the experience we actually want to provide.

                                      Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦
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                                      @Epic_Null so, more like a test suite, then?

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                                      • Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦D Deborah Preuss, pcc πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                                        This week I learned, from a blind acquaintance here, that when we write in ALL CAPS in alt text, their screenreader* reads it all out, *one letter at a time*.

                                        Totally defeating the point of alt text making things accessible, right?
                                        Needless to say, I've stopped.

                                        Well, LOL remains LOL, of course!
                                        #TIL #accessibility #blind #deafblind

                                        * apparently, not all screenreaders.

                                        valOrie_p'OV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @deborahh @Lazarou TY for helping (sighted) me to be a better communicator

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