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This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

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  • KDEK KDE

    This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

    https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

    This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

    If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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    Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

    xs4me2X This user is from outside of this forum
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    xs4me2
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    @kde

    Great initiative!

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    • BerndH Bernd

      @kde Isn't this now at least the second petition for this on a third-party platform that collects your data for an uncertain outcome? Why not use the official Bundestag e-Petition system? That way: No intermediary is involved that collects your data and, when making it an official Bundestag petition, parliament has to discuss it when it has collected a certain number of signatures.

      https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/epet/peteinreichen.nc.html

      Also, why is it in English? While there are some German citizens that don't speak German, there may be a lot more that don't speak English.

      StarWolf3000S This user is from outside of this forum
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      StarWolf3000
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      @hopfgeist@digitalcourage.social @kde@floss.social Ich stimme dir da vollumfänglich zu, solch eine Petition gehört eigentlich auf den Internetauftritt des Bundestages.
      Es gibt aber zumindest eine deutsche Version der Petition hier.
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      • KDEK KDE

        This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

        https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

        This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

        If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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        Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

        Kevin Karhan :verified:K This user is from outside of this forum
        Kevin Karhan :verified:K This user is from outside of this forum
        Kevin Karhan :verified:
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        @kde what's sad is that it's not on the official federal parlament petitions portal, so it'll be consequence-free ignored eveb if it would smash the 30k quota instantly.

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        • KDEK KDE

          This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

          https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

          This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

          If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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          Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

          dav1dR This user is from outside of this forum
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          dav1d
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          @kde without the efforts of developers Linux wouldn't be where is it now, especially with gaming so yea thanks to all devs ❤️
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          • KDEK KDE

            This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

            https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

            This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

            If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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            Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

            David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D This user is from outside of this forum
            David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D This user is from outside of this forum
            David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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            @kde

            It's hard for me to see what that should look like. If I work on a personal project with no other users, is that volunteer work? How is that different from working in my own front garden (is that volunteering in Germany)?

            If my employer releases my work as F/OSS, can they count my time as volunteering for any tax purposes? What about if it's a F/OSS component that is useful only in conjunction with some non-Free thing that they sell?

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            • KDEK KDE

              This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

              https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

              This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

              If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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              Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

              dickiegranthumD This user is from outside of this forum
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              dickiegranthum
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              @kde ja!

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              • David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)

                @kde

                It's hard for me to see what that should look like. If I work on a personal project with no other users, is that volunteer work? How is that different from working in my own front garden (is that volunteering in Germany)?

                If my employer releases my work as F/OSS, can they count my time as volunteering for any tax purposes? What about if it's a F/OSS component that is useful only in conjunction with some non-Free thing that they sell?

                Monospace MentorM This user is from outside of this forum
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                Monospace Mentor
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                @david_chisnall It's similar to charity work. There are definitions what counts as such, entry criteria and assessments. The goal, as I understand it, is to make FLOSS work first of all eligible to be classified as Volunteer Work.
                @kde

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                • Monospace MentorM Monospace Mentor

                  @david_chisnall It's similar to charity work. There are definitions what counts as such, entry criteria and assessments. The goal, as I understand it, is to make FLOSS work first of all eligible to be classified as Volunteer Work.
                  @kde

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                  David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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                  @monospace @kde

                  It's similar to charity work

                  So qualifying F/OSS projects will require a load of compliance work that doesn't make sense unless your turnover in donations is large?

                  I'm not familiar with what counts as volunteer work in general for tax / legal purposes in Germany.

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                  • David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)

                    @monospace @kde

                    It's similar to charity work

                    So qualifying F/OSS projects will require a load of compliance work that doesn't make sense unless your turnover in donations is large?

                    I'm not familiar with what counts as volunteer work in general for tax / legal purposes in Germany.

                    Monospace MentorM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Monospace Mentor
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                    #28

                    @david_chisnall I don't know the intricacies either, but I'm sure there will be some amount of red tape. No free lunch, but at least it would be an option.
                    @kde

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                    • KDEK KDE

                      This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                      https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                      This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                      If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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                      Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                      Mx Amber Alex (she/it)A This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
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                      @kde and where's the petition that actually has a chance of achieving anything?

                      Where's the parliamentary e-petition?

                      Because petitions on whatever platforms are pointless. Petitions filed with the Bundestag petition committee actually force the parliament to discuss them if they pass the threshold.

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                      • KDEK KDE

                        Do you have something similar in your country? Why not help your national FLOSS projects get the status and support they often desperately need? Start your own petition!

                        @tdforg @gnome @Blender @fedora @Krita @kdenlive @videolan @fsfe

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                        @kde@floss.socia

                        I know little of legal matters. One thing about the American situation for FLOSS, that I learned from @pluralistic but I forgot where I read it, is that open source projects have to be "educational" projects in order to qualify for status as non-profit organizations. I've long had the impression that US tax law is designed to aggressively prevent competition between the non-profit sector and the for-profit sector, and absolutely rule out competition between the public sector and the private sector.

                        @tdforg @gnome @Blender @fedora @Krita @kdenlive @videolan @fsfe

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                        • KDEK KDE

                          This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                          https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                          This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                          If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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                          Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                          BaseFortifyB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @kde A very good endeavour, I hope this succeeds.

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                          • DoctorG ♀️🏳️‍🌈D DoctorG ♀️🏳️‍🌈

                            @svuorela @kde
                            German petition not on epetitionen.bundestag.de.
                            You force me to register on a different website?
                            No thanks!

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                            Sune Stolborg Vuorela
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                            @DoctorG_1 hi. I sent the link to the Danish petition on the official Danish site?

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                            • KDEK KDE

                              This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                              https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                              This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                              If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

                              ---

                              Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                              António DominguesK This user is from outside of this forum
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                              António Domingues
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                              @kde can legal residents sign it as well, or only citizens?

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                              • Pixel DunnH Pixel Dunn

                                @kde nope i don't. in my country they care mostly about using american tech (gafam), and where funding OSS (not saying about FLOSS)…

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                                @hacknorris @kde just because the government is shitty doesn't mean there aren't grassroots initiatives to push FOSS usage…

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                                • wojtekW wojtek

                                  @hacknorris @kde just because the government is shitty doesn't mean there aren't grassroots initiatives to push FOSS usage…

                                  Pixel DunnH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Pixel Dunn
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                                  @wojtek @kde yeah. possibly only a pack of 10 guys over irc. i doubt more…

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                                  • KDEK KDE

                                    This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                                    https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                                    This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                                    If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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                                    Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                                    stiller_leserS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    stiller_leser
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                                    @kde It really seems worth supporting, not sure why it would need my home adress though...

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