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This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

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  • David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)

    @kde

    It's hard for me to see what that should look like. If I work on a personal project with no other users, is that volunteer work? How is that different from working in my own front garden (is that volunteering in Germany)?

    If my employer releases my work as F/OSS, can they count my time as volunteering for any tax purposes? What about if it's a F/OSS component that is useful only in conjunction with some non-Free thing that they sell?

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    @david_chisnall It's similar to charity work. There are definitions what counts as such, entry criteria and assessments. The goal, as I understand it, is to make FLOSS work first of all eligible to be classified as Volunteer Work.
    @kde

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    • Monospace MentorM Monospace Mentor

      @david_chisnall It's similar to charity work. There are definitions what counts as such, entry criteria and assessments. The goal, as I understand it, is to make FLOSS work first of all eligible to be classified as Volunteer Work.
      @kde

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      @monospace @kde

      It's similar to charity work

      So qualifying F/OSS projects will require a load of compliance work that doesn't make sense unless your turnover in donations is large?

      I'm not familiar with what counts as volunteer work in general for tax / legal purposes in Germany.

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      • David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)

        @monospace @kde

        It's similar to charity work

        So qualifying F/OSS projects will require a load of compliance work that doesn't make sense unless your turnover in donations is large?

        I'm not familiar with what counts as volunteer work in general for tax / legal purposes in Germany.

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        #28

        @david_chisnall I don't know the intricacies either, but I'm sure there will be some amount of red tape. No free lunch, but at least it would be an option.
        @kde

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        • KDEK KDE

          This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

          https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

          This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

          If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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          Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

          Mx Amber Alex (she/it)A This user is from outside of this forum
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          Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
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          @kde and where's the petition that actually has a chance of achieving anything?

          Where's the parliamentary e-petition?

          Because petitions on whatever platforms are pointless. Petitions filed with the Bundestag petition committee actually force the parliament to discuss them if they pass the threshold.

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          • KDEK KDE

            Do you have something similar in your country? Why not help your national FLOSS projects get the status and support they often desperately need? Start your own petition!

            @tdforg @gnome @Blender @fedora @Krita @kdenlive @videolan @fsfe

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            @kde@floss.socia

            I know little of legal matters. One thing about the American situation for FLOSS, that I learned from @pluralistic but I forgot where I read it, is that open source projects have to be "educational" projects in order to qualify for status as non-profit organizations. I've long had the impression that US tax law is designed to aggressively prevent competition between the non-profit sector and the for-profit sector, and absolutely rule out competition between the public sector and the private sector.

            @tdforg @gnome @Blender @fedora @Krita @kdenlive @videolan @fsfe

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            • KDEK KDE

              This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

              https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

              This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

              If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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              Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

              BaseFortifyB This user is from outside of this forum
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              @kde A very good endeavour, I hope this succeeds.

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              • DoctorG ♀️🏳️‍🌈D DoctorG ♀️🏳️‍🌈

                @svuorela @kde
                German petition not on epetitionen.bundestag.de.
                You force me to register on a different website?
                No thanks!

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                Sune Stolborg Vuorela
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                #32

                @DoctorG_1 hi. I sent the link to the Danish petition on the official Danish site?

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                • KDEK KDE

                  This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                  https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                  This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                  If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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                  Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                  António DominguesK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @kde can legal residents sign it as well, or only citizens?

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                  • Pixel DunnH Pixel Dunn

                    @kde nope i don't. in my country they care mostly about using american tech (gafam), and where funding OSS (not saying about FLOSS)…

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                    #34

                    @hacknorris @kde just because the government is shitty doesn't mean there aren't grassroots initiatives to push FOSS usage…

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                    • wojtekW wojtek

                      @hacknorris @kde just because the government is shitty doesn't mean there aren't grassroots initiatives to push FOSS usage…

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                      @wojtek @kde yeah. possibly only a pack of 10 guys over irc. i doubt more…

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                      • KDEK KDE

                        This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                        https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                        This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                        If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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                        Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                        stiller_leserS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #36

                        @kde It really seems worth supporting, not sure why it would need my home adress though...

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