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If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

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  • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

    @Em0nM4stodon

    People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

    If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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    @neptune22222 Yes, it's creepy too. Making this practice possible with glasses as well is doubly creepy, and needs to be pushed back against.

    It's not because it's already wrong with phones that it's okay to add glasses to the abuse repertoire.

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    • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

      @the There is a difference between legal and ethical. I care much less about the former than the latter.

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      @Em0nM4stodon

      So do I. I also like to know how to get someone on a technicality when they're doing something unethical.

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      • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

        @Em0nM4stodon

        People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

        If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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        @Em0nM4stodon

        It's a slightly separate topic, but I'm interested in building and selling FOSH headsets for low vision people to see better. It's an accessibility medical product idea with important privacy and security considerations. The product *could* record people in a creepy way, if it is built in an insecure and non-private way, but it's important to establish non-creepy glasses for these purposes and other useful purposes.

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        • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

          @Em0nM4stodon

          It's a slightly separate topic, but I'm interested in building and selling FOSH headsets for low vision people to see better. It's an accessibility medical product idea with important privacy and security considerations. The product *could* record people in a creepy way, if it is built in an insecure and non-private way, but it's important to establish non-creepy glasses for these purposes and other useful purposes.

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          @Em0nM4stodon Recognizing that Facebook should be boycotted in general is also a good idea, but also unrelated to glasses.

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          • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

            @Em0nM4stodon

            It's a slightly separate topic, but I'm interested in building and selling FOSH headsets for low vision people to see better. It's an accessibility medical product idea with important privacy and security considerations. The product *could* record people in a creepy way, if it is built in an insecure and non-private way, but it's important to establish non-creepy glasses for these purposes and other useful purposes.

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            @neptune22222 It doesn't have to be glasses then. It could be an offline camera wore in the neck using bright colors, and with clear warnings to people around that this device is recording but doesn't share data externally and is an assistive device. There are ways to build assistive technologies without infringing other people's rights and safety and feeding mass surveillance.

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            • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

              @neptune22222 It doesn't have to be glasses then. It could be an offline camera wore in the neck using bright colors, and with clear warnings to people around that this device is recording but doesn't share data externally and is an assistive device. There are ways to build assistive technologies without infringing other people's rights and safety and feeding mass surveillance.

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              @Em0nM4stodon

              The FOSH assistive glasses that I'm planning to build would require being glasses, but your point about them being a bright color is a good idea. I need to study more about how to guarantee that they do not record, which I think is unnecessary for the use cases that I think would be most immediately useful for low vision people. I think brand trust is necessary but not sufficient. For example, some people trust Apple, while I don't.

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              • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

                #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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                @Em0nM4stodon

                I don't only want them to not talk to me; I don't want them to look in my direction.

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                • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

                  @Em0nM4stodon

                  People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

                  If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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                  @neptune22222 @Em0nM4stodon "Secretly recording" is an actual crime in Massachusetts. It's not just creepy.

                  Open recording is not a crime.

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                  • Michelle HughesM Michelle Hughes

                    @Em0nM4stodon

                    I don't only want them to not talk to me; I don't want them to look in my direction.

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                    @MegaMichelle Yes, this. Especially this.

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                    • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                      @neptune22222 It doesn't have to be glasses then. It could be an offline camera wore in the neck using bright colors, and with clear warnings to people around that this device is recording but doesn't share data externally and is an assistive device. There are ways to build assistive technologies without infringing other people's rights and safety and feeding mass surveillance.

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                      @Em0nM4stodon @neptune22222 If the glasses have to have a record function for some reason, they can have a small flashing red light and a small audible ping when recording.

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                      • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                        If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

                        #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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                        @Em0nM4stodon And I will punch them

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                        • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                          If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

                          #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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                          @Em0nM4stodon I cannot express how much I've been dying for glasses that are also screens since I read Snow Crash.

                          And I cannot further express how angry I am that the companies finally making that a reality are fucking it up by making them inherently surveillance devices.

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                          • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                            If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

                            #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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                            @Em0nM4stodon does it give us a license to punch them on the nose?

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                              @Arthfach @Em0nM4stodon

                              Hi Arthfach, I'm sorry that I've made the impression to you that I'm resisting privacy and security. I'm attempting to resist the idea that glasses are a fundamentally insecure or not private medium. Also, recording ICE and police, possibly using glasses, is important. Again, I think you have misunderstood my position. It's totally my fault, and I hope to better communicate my position, which is in summary:

                              1. Glasses with cameras and computers in them are important for visually impaired people. So, we should not push back against them indiscriminately.

                              2. Security and privacy are critical for medical devices, including assistive tech, and FOSH (Free Open Source Hardware) is a required but not sufficient part of secure and private technology.

                              I'm also blind, mostly, legally. I have Retinitus Pigmentosa, and I'm developing this private and secure assistive technology for myself and I believe it will also be useful to others who value security and privacy as much as I do.

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                              • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                                @neptune22222 Yes, it's creepy too. Making this practice possible with glasses as well is doubly creepy, and needs to be pushed back against.

                                It's not because it's already wrong with phones that it's okay to add glasses to the abuse repertoire.

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                                @Em0nM4stodon Your first toot in this string was right on the money, so I'm blocking that guy.

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                                  @arthfach So glad you said it.

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                                  • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                                    @neptune22222 It doesn't have to be glasses then. It could be an offline camera wore in the neck using bright colors, and with clear warnings to people around that this device is recording but doesn't share data externally and is an assistive device. There are ways to build assistive technologies without infringing other people's rights and safety and feeding mass surveillance.

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                                    @Em0nM4stodon @neptune22222 r
                                    Really??
                                    And why not a fucking jester's hat with bells too?
                                    I can picture the sanctimonious masses stoning blind people shouting "glass hole!"

                                    We're going to have a field day! ♥️

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