Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
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@txtx some people will accounts there are, and so are people with accounts in other places, because social media it's not just those places, and because the requeriments for id verification are way broader than social media.
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@txtx @passenger @mhoye
People need to understand the harm done to people and society by gafam.The only account I had was on linkedin, to have professional visibility.
But this too is populated by [boosted] "influencers" and "followers".My way to connect with ppl makes all this boring to use.
I find mastodon here more convenient to link with ppl having the same interests.
Not following and not leading.
No ads. Perfect for me.Facebook : fuck off, I have enough friends.
@Jdb_env id verification can also cause harms, and they don't apply only to gafam (and legally couldn't).
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@mhoye Unpopular opinion:
Identity verification isn't so unattractive in 2026 — social media is destroying democracies via anonymous armies of bot people steered by aggressive foreign actors like Putin and Musk.
The libertarian model that the Internet was built on is failing societies.
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I don't agree with the premise that there is no possibility for a solution that takes various factors into consideration.
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@axel_hartmann @brouhaha @mhoye definitely informed my response
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@txtx @mhoye Rightfully unpopular. This is not a libertarian position but an anarchist and antifascist one. It's not Ayn Rand bros who are harmed by needing to show ID to participate in public life. It's queer youth, undocumented folks, unhoused folks, dissidents, ppl living under regimes that don't want them having international contacts, etc. who this shit harms.
@dalias @txtx@mastodon.social
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
@mhoye
I'm not sure I completely agree. If you use a bank account as proof of age, the service provider should only receive a yes/no, and no other details whatsoever. There's no way I'd use facial recognition or age estimation, but other techniques (which may seem to be more risky at first sight, such as via your bank) may be pretty safe. -
Where they go, we go. If you want to know what Mickey Mouse is up to, rather than just hate him and want to avoid him, Disneyland is the place to be.
(I don't monitor twitter though, it's just a garbage hellsite, and most of the real fash are elsewhere. British hard fash mostly use Telegram, soft fash mostly use Whatsapp, and it's worth monitoring both.)
@passenger I seriously question if following around fascists/racists has done any good for society in the last decade or so.
On the contrary it seems like a bad addiction, and it's only getting worse because we're just injecting more of it into our daily lives. Why do we need to listen to them? Are we their lackeys?
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I don't agree with the premise that there is no possibility for a solution that takes various factors into consideration.
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@DiogoConstantino So? What's wrong with trying harder? Is laziness an excuse?
I want more fellow tech people to step away from the libertarian ideals of the current Internet, and start coming up with ways to help save democracy from aggressive states and their disinformation campaigns.
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@DiogoConstantino So? What's wrong with trying harder? Is laziness an excuse?
I want more fellow tech people to step away from the libertarian ideals of the current Internet, and start coming up with ways to help save democracy from aggressive states and their disinformation campaigns.
@txtx nerding harder is not working harder, is what people who don't understand tech, tell to nerds to implement their magical thinking.
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@mhoye
I'm not sure I completely agree. If you use a bank account as proof of age, the service provider should only receive a yes/no, and no other details whatsoever. There's no way I'd use facial recognition or age estimation, but other techniques (which may seem to be more risky at first sight, such as via your bank) may be pretty safe.@dave @mhoye The Swiss government e-ID is basically promising that: verify the age, but without leaving a data trace that can be linked (on either side) to anything. Despite being technically sound (open source and all), the law just barely passed the referendum. I guess the risk is that companies will use more "convenient" ways to verify age, and/or share any verified info they get with their whole ad network, where everything ends up linked with everything else. https://www.eid.admin.ch/en
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Once you realize it’s not “age verification”, but actually “identity verification”, then it’s easy to understand that the real goal is “papers, please” for the entire internet.
@mhoye@cosocial.ca If there was a real need for age verification, it should be implemented on alcohol selling website, bet websites, and so on. Age verification is just disguised censorship.
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@DiogoConstantino Why do you turn to a personal accusation against me? C'mon, we can do better than that. I've been in this field for over a quarter century thanks.
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@passenger I seriously question if following around fascists/racists has done any good for society in the last decade or so.
On the contrary it seems like a bad addiction, and it's only getting worse because we're just injecting more of it into our daily lives. Why do we need to listen to them? Are we their lackeys?
We listen to them so we know what they're up to and can oppose it.
To give an example the media knows about: in early 2023 there was a group of fascists who intended on storming a Drag Queen Story Hour in South London. When the fascists arrived they found that we were there ahead of time and we had big sticks.
Bonk.
If we weren't in their chats monitoring their planning, how would we have been able to bonk?
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We listen to them so we know what they're up to and can oppose it.
To give an example the media knows about: in early 2023 there was a group of fascists who intended on storming a Drag Queen Story Hour in South London. When the fascists arrived they found that we were there ahead of time and we had big sticks.
Bonk.
If we weren't in their chats monitoring their planning, how would we have been able to bonk?
@passenger So you had criminals using their real names on social media to publicly organize violent criminal activities?
Do you have a source for this?
