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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

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  • Phil Thane ✅P Phil Thane ✅

    @danirabbit
    I'm getting there. Still got Android on this phone because it was cheap and there's no AOSP based OS for it. And still watch YouTube (via FreeTube) for entertainment.

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    Johann Sebastian Staedtler 🇨🇦
    wrote last edited by
    #66

    @pthane @danirabbit Everyone's situation is different, and it will take more time and a more complicated path for some than for others. Also consider that these corporations intentionally work to lock us in to their products, and they make it as difficult as possible to leave. We can't blame ourselves for not being able to cut free all at once.

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    • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

      LisaL This user is from outside of this forum
      LisaL This user is from outside of this forum
      Lisa
      wrote last edited by
      #67

      @danirabbit absolutely!

      "I have always held firmly to the thought that each one of us can do a little to bring some portion of misery to an end." ~ Albert Schweitzer

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      • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

        I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

        People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

        So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

        JustinJ This user is from outside of this forum
        JustinJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Justin
        wrote last edited by
        #68

        @danirabbit
        Agree on the bacon. I did start to make my own so I know what's in the cure and use very little pink salt (nitrates) but now I don't like others bacon haha

        I usually do a salt/black pepper cure and smoke with apple wood.

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        • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

          I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

          People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

          So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

          zombiecide 馬雄Z This user is from outside of this forum
          zombiecide 馬雄Z This user is from outside of this forum
          zombiecide 馬雄
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          #69

          @danirabbit what's wrong with saying plant based or flexitarian?

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          • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

            I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

            People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

            So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

            Randulo.com (Randy)R This user is from outside of this forum
            Randulo.com (Randy)R This user is from outside of this forum
            Randulo.com (Randy)
            wrote last edited by
            #70

            @danirabbit What a wonderful, thoughtful thread! Kudos, everyone.

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            • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

              Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

              Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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              Andreas V. Chatzopoulos
              wrote last edited by
              #71

              @danirabbit Kagi is the absolute best search engine available, if you're willing to pay a small fee. The idea is that if you pay for your search engine, they will not have to fund it with ads or sponsored content: https://kagi.com

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              • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                Mikko KarvonenH This user is from outside of this forum
                Mikko KarvonenH This user is from outside of this forum
                Mikko Karvonen
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                #72

                @danirabbit This is actually exactly what I did. Bacon was the last meat product I dropped from my diet. After a while it became easy to let it go, too.

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                • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                  I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                  People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                  So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                  Pino CarafaR This user is from outside of this forum
                  Pino CarafaR This user is from outside of this forum
                  Pino Carafa
                  wrote last edited by
                  #73

                  @danirabbit right on. A good example is my attempt to de-Meta. I removed Fecesbook, Instagram, Messenger. But I can't get rid of WhatsApp. There are family groups, friend groups and work groups on WhatsApp and the momentum is not yet there for them to all move to non Meta alternatives. Especially family groups with all the elderly members who already struggled to learn WhatsApp as "The New Thing To Use". It's too much to ask them to do it again 😒

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                  • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                    Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

                    Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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                    Jean-Baptiste "JBQ" Quéru
                    wrote last edited by
                    #74

                    @danirabbit The key, indeed, is to change bit by bit. Change is hard. Getting used to the notion of change is hard. So, practice, practice, practice, start with a few small bits until they become habits, and then do a little more, not so much that it becomes overwhelming. And, sometimes, you'll even be positively surprised.

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                    • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                      JenJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      JenJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      Jen
                      wrote last edited by
                      #75

                      @danirabbit I'm flexitarian for primarily environmental reasons.

                      I have been known to order a veggie all day breakfast plus black pudding. I really love black pudding, it's full of haem iron, and it's essentially a waste product.

                      I refuse to feel guilty for the meat, plastic and super-processed food that comes in my weekly shop. It's through a food waste scheme that is also incredibly helpful for our household spoons and money budgets. This week included several pounds of bacon ends near their use-by date. Some has been slow cooked, some has been diced and frozen, the fatty bits were rendered and used to make potato wedges. All of it would have been binned if not shared through the scheme.

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                      • OpticaciaO Opticacia

                        @danirabbit
                        I don't actually hate this but it's just reinventing the idea of vegetarianism.

                        & maybe that does need some rejuvinating & maybe that'll do some good in the world, still it's really not veganism.

                        I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work (being an animal use abolitionist).

                        I guess vegetarianism is kinda lame nowadays (now we say plant-based or plant forward or 'vegan'), & part of that is because veganism makes it look obsolete, but you can't just take the name without doing the work.

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                        @Opticacia @danirabbit OK, but who says they’re trying to benefit from any moral associations?

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                        • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                          I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                          People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                          So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                          Hans-Cees 🌳🌳🤢🦋🐈🐈🍋🍋🐝🐜H This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Hans-Cees 🌳🌳🤢🦋🐈🐈🍋🍋🐝🐜
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                          #77

                          @danirabbit I wholeheartedly agree. Many shades of grey are ok

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                          • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                            I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                            People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                            So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                            Mark ScottM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #78

                            @danirabbit The trope about making perfect the enemy of the good aligns with this

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                            • ARGVMI~1.PIFA ARGVMI~1.PIF

                              @danirabbit

                              It's a terrible shame that synthetic meat seems to have fizzled out. It would've solved a lot of problems.

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                              Ben Curthoys
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                              @argv_minus_one @danirabbit well the problem is that synthetic meat isn't 100% completely perfect with zero ethical or environmental or taste or texture issues, so it's basically a complete waste of time.

                              /sarcasm for Poes Law.

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                              • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                                WildengW This user is from outside of this forum
                                WildengW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @danirabbit this a smart approach and it's what we're doing or at least trying to do at home. We cook from scratch every day, use the public transport or walk and use the car only when is strictly necessary. I do like vegan dishes but I do like cheese too. My sister is vegan and her husband is not, living together is possible 😉

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                                • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                  I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                  People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                  So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                                  DudB This user is from outside of this forum
                                  DudB This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Dud
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                                  @danirabbit I've only been buying Oat Milk for 6 years, and before that it was Rice milk (what happened to that??), and before that I was 20 years on Skimmed. Now, cows' milk on my cornflakes tastes horrible!

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                                  • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                    Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

                                    Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

                                    M This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    AL
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #82

                                    @danirabbit
                                    thank you for putting into words what has been in my mind for a long time.

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                                    • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                                      alethenorioA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      alethenorioA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      alethenorio
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                                      @danirabbit I actually tend to order plant based burgers with bacon in it. It is a great way to lower your meat consumption while enjoying that tasty tasty bacon

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                                      • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                        I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                        People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                        So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                                        Jules she/herA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Jules she/her
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #84

                                        @danirabbit the Fork Ranger app or Instagram feed is a good place to start for anyone looking to reduce the amount of animal products they consume without committing to going fully vegan

                                        https://www.forkranger.com/

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                                        • Danielle ForéD Danielle Foré

                                          I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                          People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                          So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                                          Corinna BalkowC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Corinna Balkow
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                                          #85

                                          @danirabbit this is some popular thread. And also goes in my line of being "accidentally vegan" or "vegan where it doesn't hurt"

                                          Like in a cake you usually don't need eggs, you could apple puree or vegan egg. For omelette keep your egg.

                                          That slice of cheese on a burger? Vegan cheddar is just fine.

                                          Some crumble in tomato sauce? Just add soya minced meat.

                                          And you are fine to mix and match to your taste. Just reducing animal product consumption will help.

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