I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit also it's amazing how people who have no ethical stance like to pick holes in other people's ethical stances.
I think it's defensive because if someone else is being moral maybe you should too - but if you can find fault you're off the hook
This results in hostility to vegan + bacon
Because it's really hard to come up with a sensible argument against being just a bit moral - it's not even that hard to do.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I think I could do "whatever you eat now plus more bacon".
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@Opticacia I don’t know if you know this but bacon is not a vegetable
@danirabbit
Neither are eggs and milk.Of course, you could stick to strict definitions of vegetarianism or plant-based diets, I don't really see the imperative.
I get this is a strange take, but from my perspective vegetarianism isn't so different from 'flexitarianism', in that they both lean on plants heavily but arbitraily include some animal products according to personal preference.
But all that aside, veganism isn't (just) a diet and there's no half-measures, you either do it or you don't.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit Yeah, people are so black-and-white in their thinking. Including me often, although I fight against it.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
Example from my life:
I'm generally pretty cook-from-scratch & environmentally conscious, but right now in this phase of life, using a few of those little instant microwave rice baggies per month makes a huge difference to my ability to navigate disaster capitalism and make a lunch me and the kid both enjoy.
In a couple of years I'll go back to using the rice cooker, and I'm just not gonna beat myself up about it too much. -
@thomholwerda @danirabbit Longer lives and more space to roam actually makes meat *more* tasty, since the muscles get a chance to actually develop. It costs more because the livestock-feed-to-saleable-meat throughput of any given piece of land is much lower. One of the butchers I buy from (Porter Road) specifically pitches this as the reason higher prices are worth paying.
@bob_zim @thomholwerda @danirabbit Yeah, silvopasture or other regenerative pasturing isn't just *possible*, it's how nature evolved to keep sequestering carbon into gorgeous, vibrant, three-foot-deep soil for rich grasslands and scrublands. It also makes for happy grazers, often protected from predators, with medical care.
It just doesn't produce huge amounts of meat and money per acre when people are habituated to prices that come of thinking of meat as "every meal, what living conditions" and not sacred, rare, festival food.
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@danirabbit
I'm getting there. Still got Android on this phone because it was cheap and there's no AOSP based OS for it. And still watch YouTube (via FreeTube) for entertainment.@pthane @danirabbit Everyone's situation is different, and it will take more time and a more complicated path for some than for others. Also consider that these corporations intentionally work to lock us in to their products, and they make it as difficult as possible to leave. We can't blame ourselves for not being able to cut free all at once.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit absolutely!
"I have always held firmly to the thought that each one of us can do a little to bring some portion of misery to an end." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit
Agree on the bacon. I did start to make my own so I know what's in the cure and use very little pink salt (nitrates) but now I don't like others bacon hahaI usually do a salt/black pepper cure and smoke with apple wood.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit what's wrong with saying plant based or flexitarian?
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit What a wonderful, thoughtful thread! Kudos, everyone.
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Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?
Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?
@danirabbit Kagi is the absolute best search engine available, if you're willing to pay a small fee. The idea is that if you pay for your search engine, they will not have to fund it with ads or sponsored content: https://kagi.com
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit This is actually exactly what I did. Bacon was the last meat product I dropped from my diet. After a while it became easy to let it go, too.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit right on. A good example is my attempt to de-Meta. I removed Fecesbook, Instagram, Messenger. But I can't get rid of WhatsApp. There are family groups, friend groups and work groups on WhatsApp and the momentum is not yet there for them to all move to non Meta alternatives. Especially family groups with all the elderly members who already struggled to learn WhatsApp as "The New Thing To Use". It's too much to ask them to do it again
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Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?
Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?
@danirabbit The key, indeed, is to change bit by bit. Change is hard. Getting used to the notion of change is hard. So, practice, practice, practice, start with a few small bits until they become habits, and then do a little more, not so much that it becomes overwhelming. And, sometimes, you'll even be positively surprised.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I'm flexitarian for primarily environmental reasons.
I have been known to order a veggie all day breakfast plus black pudding. I really love black pudding, it's full of haem iron, and it's essentially a waste product.
I refuse to feel guilty for the meat, plastic and super-processed food that comes in my weekly shop. It's through a food waste scheme that is also incredibly helpful for our household spoons and money budgets. This week included several pounds of bacon ends near their use-by date. Some has been slow cooked, some has been diced and frozen, the fatty bits were rendered and used to make potato wedges. All of it would have been binned if not shared through the scheme. -
@danirabbit
I don't actually hate this but it's just reinventing the idea of vegetarianism.& maybe that does need some rejuvinating & maybe that'll do some good in the world, still it's really not veganism.
I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work (being an animal use abolitionist).
I guess vegetarianism is kinda lame nowadays (now we say plant-based or plant forward or 'vegan'), & part of that is because veganism makes it look obsolete, but you can't just take the name without doing the work.
@Opticacia @danirabbit OK, but who says they’re trying to benefit from any moral associations?
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I wholeheartedly agree. Many shades of grey are ok
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit The trope about making perfect the enemy of the good aligns with this
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It's a terrible shame that synthetic meat seems to have fizzled out. It would've solved a lot of problems.
@argv_minus_one @danirabbit well the problem is that synthetic meat isn't 100% completely perfect with zero ethical or environmental or taste or texture issues, so it's basically a complete waste of time.
/sarcasm for Poes Law.
