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  3. Please do not waste your time listening to, reading, or analyzing what Tom Homan actually said this morning.

Please do not waste your time listening to, reading, or analyzing what Tom Homan actually said this morning.

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  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

    Update from later in the day in MSP:

    I’ve heard or uttered variations on the phrase “I’ll believe it when I see it” in numerous conversations through out the day. That seems to be the prevailing sentiment. People are willing to be hopeful, but nobody’s counting their chickens just yet.

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    In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

    They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

    Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

      They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

      Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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      More here:

      https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/115991716008786969

      My request today from Minneapolis to the world, and especially the rest of the USA, is to keep the facts in that linked thread clear, and keep the pressure up on •all• the Senators accordingly.

      The problem is not just that ICE murdered two people. The murders (it was more than two) are the tip of a horrible iceberg.

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

        They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

        Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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        @inthehands Yeah, I mean, I am angry about those two incidents also - but, none of these arrests should be happening in the first place. Neither Pretti nor Good would have been in a position for those 'incidents'(murders) to even happen if there wasn't *already* a problem for them to be protesting and documenting.

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        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

          In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

          They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

          Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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          @inthehands

          Also 2 completely separate incidents (if you ignore another dozen or so incidents) point to something deeper even if they weren't also violating people's rights in a bunch of other ways.

          Even in their dismissal they still have to acknowledge a large enough fuck up (2 unprovoked murders within a month caught on camera) to justify scrapping the whole agency

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          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

            In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

            They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

            Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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            @inthehands "they're angry about this incident" sorry, is it somehow unreasonable to be angry about murder?? and to reduce that to mere "incident"??

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            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

              In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

              They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

              Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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              @inthehands

              Agreed: These are the two most well-documented and publicized murders by the Gestapo, but they're far from the only ones and I think people as a whole are realizing that. The expectation is that when the government is lying out their asses about something so clear and real, then the depths of their perfidy have no floor.

              Funding isn't being withheld because of those two, not quite -- it's that their cases show a department which has dispensed with the very pretense of accountability, and that means that an infinite array of failures and monstrous abuses lies just below the already swastika-tattooed skin.

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                @NSalwen @inthehands no, not a penny, they will divert it.

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                • KM6ECCK KM6ECC

                  @elala @inthehands can we acknowledge that Obama brought us Tom Homen? Or is this going to be another comforting blindspot for one of our tribes?

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                  @km6ecc @elala @inthehands

                  It's aknowleged. Can we acknowlege that the democrates brought us the war on drugs, the opening act on this hell? Can we acknowlege that the republicans and the FBI killed King? Can we acknowlege all wars are profit centers for big business. Can we acknowlege that this government is screwing us because a majority of voters stayed home? How about we stuff it and focus on getting a democracy back by all actively participating in positive resistance and voting. I'm 70 and could shove I told you so's in everyones face all day, but its totally unproductive and disincentivises participation.

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                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                    In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

                    They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

                    Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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                    @inthehands
                    Ok, so let those folks be charged with murder then.

                    #uspol

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                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                      More here:

                      https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/115991716008786969

                      My request today from Minneapolis to the world, and especially the rest of the USA, is to keep the facts in that linked thread clear, and keep the pressure up on •all• the Senators accordingly.

                      The problem is not just that ICE murdered two people. The murders (it was more than two) are the tip of a horrible iceberg.

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                      OK, so yesterday I wrote that abductions were still continuing to happen in Minneapolis despite the big announcement, but today…abductions are also still continuing to happen.

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                      • KM6ECCK KM6ECC

                        @elala @inthehands can we acknowledge that Obama brought us Tom Homen? Or is this going to be another comforting blindspot for one of our tribes?

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                        @elala @inthehands maybe acknowledge it is certain generations that need to pay? See you in 2033 grandparents. I don't think younger voters are going to support reversing your 20% social security haircut after leaving them in a country like this one... I'm one of the ones saying this and getting the haircut by then. I watched #boomers play confidence games with everything, and watched my own generation throw our hands up and bet on inheritances. Failed generations, really.

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                          @NSalwen @inthehands And explicitly deny funding pup killer, national wrecking ball & security threat Kristi Noem, stephrn

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