We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community.

jjsmith

@lutindiscret @Gargron Well maybe they didn't want to manage another Fedi service. So they chose a different option.

jjsmith

@grishka @Gargron I'm thinking it's to avoid problems with the government if it were to come to them having to come in.

Walt Baldwin

zulip is excellent. good software and seems like a good group of folks at the company.

Angela Scholder

@waltbaldwin @Gargron Tnx. With the @DutchWhovianCommunity there is a Discord server for the community, so I'm curious what the impact of the changes is going to be there.

But, also for other security and privacy reasons it most likely be a good thing to move away from Discord. But then, a large part of the community is also still mainly on Failbook and Instagram.
On Mastodon it's still a very small group.

weed stallman :gnu:

@pounce @Gargron What are some of the features IRC is implementing these days that would be appealing to Discord users?

ahoyboyhoy

@pounce @Gargron better to plug xmpp I'd say, open internet standard with a much healthier ecosystem. No shade to IRC, many great communities there that I engage with via bridge.

ahoyboyhoy

@targrus @Gargron I'm standing up a Zulip right now, so I'm happy to see others choose it as well.

pounce

@incentive@mastodon.circlewithadot.net @Gargron@mastodon.social
https://ircv3.net/ has some good information, but to name a few i don't think many people know about:

persistent history (now integrated into several ircds and most clients)
seamless image/file upload from the app
multi-line and -paragraph messages
utf-8
typing indicators
proper replies
emoji reactions
in-app registration
account profile pictures / descriptions / display names

weed stallman :gnu:

@pounce @Gargron Thanks. Got some learning to do today.

I still use IRC off-and-on but never kept up with protocol updates. Plus I use Polari on Gnome so I'm guessing they have restricted a lot of these features for the sake of minimalism.

Carlos Solís

@Gargron I'm surprised that you hadn't yet gone full libre in regards to your infrastructure. This also means you should reconsider moving out of Github for releases in the near future.

Kerfuffle

@Gargron Selfhosted or in the (US) Zulip cloud?

Eric

@lefteristrip23 Far from 1:1 feature parity. No integrated voice or video in most implementations (leveraging Jitsi or something similar in many cases) is a big knock against Matrix.

Eric

@grishka "for the children" /s

It's because they want to know who you are, and they want to be able to attribute you to other services where this identity is known to build out their web of surveillance.

Au Ti Va Volade :v_enby:

@lutindiscret @Gargron I wish Matrix worked at all

Ilka 🌐

@Gargron I guess I won't be able to call Felon 47 a brown bag full of manure anymore then.

Owl Eyes

@lutindiscret @Gargron @lefteristrip23 I beg of you: not #Matrix, for anything persisting and serious *when it comes to group chat*. Has a history of exploding chat rooms, every few years or so. Track record is not good.

#Zulip is today's much more sane choice, as a place to escape to, fleeing #Discord.

BTW: I'm willing to set up/maintain Zulip servers, *but for a price*.

Thomas Traynor

@Gargron I have an account, but haven't used it in a while. When I get told to do that I will respond with a full middle finger scan and a suggestion where they can stick it.

AT Hayes

@Gargron Will it affect anything other than NSFW tagging?

Owl Eyes

@autisticplushy @lutindiscret @Gargron with #Matrix, one-one-one chat is decent; it's just the group chats which have a poor track record of reliability over the years.

Sam

@athayes@mas.to @Gargron@mastodon.social It shouldn't but it does give them access to scan and look through more posts especially media, we've had it in the UK for a while now and we've had data leaks and lots of problems with this system, highly suggest finding a new place.