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  • KristieK Kristie

    Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

    The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

    Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

    Carmen ZedlerR This user is from outside of this forum
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    @kristiedegaris I don’t think it’s
    #fascism- it’s rather the tyranny of a madman, a kakistocracy in a kyriarchy. And all of this has its roots in the mentality of the Wild West in the #usa .
    No one wanted to see that the last 200 years.
    #minnesota #trumpism #ice

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      What we honestly got wrong was letting them be in the shadows and not pursuing them to the ends of the earth. Will people learn this time? Probably not. We never really do. Fascism will always come back and there will never be much in the way.
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      • KristieK Kristie

        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

        The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

        Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

        Arena Cops πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦βœŒA This user is from outside of this forum
        Arena Cops πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦βœŒA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #20

        @kristiedegaris There was a lesson to be learned from the rise & defeat of Nazi Germany.

        It should've been taken seriously.

        The people still can. And they should! Their voices & feet in the streets being the weapon of choice to defend their rule, their democracy!

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        • KristieK Kristie

          @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

          Barry GoldmanB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @kristiedegaris i think it is healthier for us to understand ourselves rather than hide our heads under the sand! then we could at least try to heal from a place of reality.

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          • KristieK Kristie

            Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

            The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

            Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

            Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
            Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
            Nicole Parsons
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            @kristiedegaris

            The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

            Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

            Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

            1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

            https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

            https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

            https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

            2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

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            • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

              @kristiedegaris

              The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

              Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

              Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

              1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

              https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

              https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

              https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

              2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

              1/

              Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
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              ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

              https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

              https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

              https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

              https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

              3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

              https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

              https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

              https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

              4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
              https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

              https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

                Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
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                5. Every international institution had embedded Nazi quislings & collaborators
                https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/introducing-tbrs-traitor-of-the-week

                https://variety.com/2025/film/global/goteborg-quisling-erik-poppe-toronto-anders-danielsen-lie-1236283530/

                https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-mcconnell-blocks-election-security-bill-hours-after-muellers/

                https://www.npr.org/2019/09/20/762499808/senate-breaks-logjam-on-election-security-cash-but-activists-say-more-is-needed

                https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century

                6. Switzerland, Sweden, & Bank of England laundered looted gold.

                https://www.bbc.com/news/business-23513654

                https://www.rferl.org/a/1083119.html

                https://www.economist.com/europe/1998/07/02/swiss-banks-and-nazi-gold

                https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/politics/sec-crypto-winklevoss.html

                https://gizmodo.com/the-winklevoss-twins-are-eyeing-2-22-billion-crypto-ipo-2000652038

                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/repatriate-the-gold-german-economists-advise-withdrawal-from-us-vaults

                https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/trump-media-es-family-trust-2022-loans

                https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/23/pardon-binance-founder-cz-trump.html

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                • KristieK Kristie

                  Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                  The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                  Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                  hanktank61H This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @kristiedegaris Mainly as tourist wife and me travelled a lot all over the UK, for 44 years now. There is a lot of Bad, but also Good. After Maggie, things did not improve for commoners. But we saw local social networks getting stronger. Through church, clubs, places-to-meet and talk and stay warm. Finally see that happening in The Netherlands too . There is lot of noise. That is not where it is happening.
                  It is just there where it is needed.
                  "To be the grain of sand building the dyke ".

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                  • KristieK Kristie

                    Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                    The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                    Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                    AndyA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @kristiedegaris Very well said, I agree totally, and you have a new follower.

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                    • KristieK Kristie

                      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                      The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                      Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                      CassandraVertC This user is from outside of this forum
                      CassandraVertC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      It's not that nothing stood in its way. It took decades, and a lot had to be changed to get here.
                      There is a segment of the population that has always wanted this and is loving it now. We allowed our safeguards against these people to be taken down.

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                      • KristieK Kristie

                        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                        The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                        Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                        G This user is from outside of this forum
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                        GutterPoetry
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                        @kristiedegaris

                        It can't be #neveragain until humans keep sociopaths out of politics, out of any positions of power. That's why greed is overtaking humanity's real progress.

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                        • KristieK Kristie

                          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                          The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                          Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                          heuveltopH This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @kristiedegaris Never again requires education, and teaching, but was sounding to much as resistence against the new powers. We had needed to teach all people to be part of society and be an active member of governing our societies. But we were lazy and kept believing on strong leaders, and benovelent dictators. The USA was designed for a fascist takeover because convenience was to attractive.

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                          • KristieK Kristie

                            Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                            The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                            Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                            xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯X This user is from outside of this forum
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                            xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯
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                            @kristiedegaris
                            It's been rising for a hundred years, but they let the disguise drop.

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                            • xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯X This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @lexinova
                              Had Japan not attacked the USA, I wonder if the USA might have entered the war a year later, but on the other side.
                              @kristiedegaris

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