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Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look.

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  • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

    @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

    A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

    Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

    One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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    @cross @inthehands in the past, one may have even called them "civil servants"

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      RE: https://hachyderm.io/@rationaldoge/115953632587673647

      Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look. SNL mocked ICE for wearing camo: “Where did you think Minnesota is??” But that’s the •look•: camo, tactical gear. It is the look ICE officers crave: “This is so cool, like Call of Duty” one said. And now you can’t tell all the militaries and militarized police forces apart, to the point where they have to wear safety vests over camo. High-vis! Over camo! The irony.

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      @inthehands ICE is wearing more tactical crap than Marines had at the battle of Fallujah. And probably ruining it by poor maintenance, so it can't even be passed on to active duty military. (Cops don't need it, either.)

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        This is the SNL sketch I mentioned in the first post:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8Oury0a80

        Right now, I’m finding this kind of “cringe-laugh” material therapeutic. To protect my own mental health, I’m having to pace my grieving — which sounds so strange, but that’s what’s going on. Laughter and critical analysis both are functioning as a kind of escape valve for me right now. So please, as someone from Minneapolis, please grieve and rage, yes, and also please give yourself permission to laugh.

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        @inthehands @Wyatt_H_Knott apparently it was cut from the live show ☹️

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        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

          RE: https://hachyderm.io/@rationaldoge/115953632587673647

          Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look. SNL mocked ICE for wearing camo: “Where did you think Minnesota is??” But that’s the •look•: camo, tactical gear. It is the look ICE officers crave: “This is so cool, like Call of Duty” one said. And now you can’t tell all the militaries and militarized police forces apart, to the point where they have to wear safety vests over camo. High-vis! Over camo! The irony.

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          @inthehands

          Apparently they are also hanging all sorts of useless expensive "video game" paraphernalia on their weapons...

          https://www.patreon.com/posts/ice-guys-all-of-148797536

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          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

            This is the SNL sketch I mentioned in the first post:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8Oury0a80

            Right now, I’m finding this kind of “cringe-laugh” material therapeutic. To protect my own mental health, I’m having to pace my grieving — which sounds so strange, but that’s what’s going on. Laughter and critical analysis both are functioning as a kind of escape valve for me right now. So please, as someone from Minneapolis, please grieve and rage, yes, and also please give yourself permission to laugh.

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            @inthehands i tooted this a few days ago. great stuff.

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            • WildRikkuW WildRikku

              @FinchHaven @inthehands This has nothing to do with LARP or cosplay. I see this pop up every now and then in discussions revolving around ICE, but it's just wrong. Both cosplay and LARP are about fandom and crafts, not violence. Violent forces will find no support in those communities, so please stop comparing.

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              #39

              @wildrikku @FinchHaven @inthehands This is really your first instinct and reaction? Maybe read the room a little.

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              • Annelies Kamran, Ph.D.A Annelies Kamran, Ph.D.

                @inthehands @Wyatt_H_Knott apparently it was cut from the live show ☹️

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                @akamran 🤮 really loving this "everyone gets their own version of reality to suit their politcal views" programming. #FuckNBC

                So glad I ditched my CBS stock before all the bullshit started. 2 years. Two fucking years, waiting for a buyout, and they sell it to fucking Nazis. The last independent TV station. #FuckCBS too.

                @inthehands still glad you posted this 🤣

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                • Annelies Kamran, Ph.D.A Annelies Kamran, Ph.D.

                  @inthehands @Wyatt_H_Knott apparently it was cut from the live show ☹️

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                  @akamran @Wyatt_H_Knott
                  Ugh. I hope somebody out there captures the video before YouTube takes it down too.

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                  • UncleRicoS UncleRico

                    @wildrikku @FinchHaven @inthehands This is really your first instinct and reaction? Maybe read the room a little.

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                    @shsbxheb @wildrikku @FinchHaven
                    Agreed, though per my post on the topic, I do applaud that instinct to say “The cosplay community says NO to ICE!!” That’s a good instinct. It just needs to be more productively directed.

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                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                      @akamran @Wyatt_H_Knott
                      Ugh. I hope somebody out there captures the video before YouTube takes it down too.

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                      @inthehands @Wyatt_H_Knott I tried using New Pipe (I'm on my phone), but it didn't work. I'll bookmark it so when I get to the desktop I can try something else.

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                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                        RE: https://hachyderm.io/@rationaldoge/115953632587673647

                        Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look. SNL mocked ICE for wearing camo: “Where did you think Minnesota is??” But that’s the •look•: camo, tactical gear. It is the look ICE officers crave: “This is so cool, like Call of Duty” one said. And now you can’t tell all the militaries and militarized police forces apart, to the point where they have to wear safety vests over camo. High-vis! Over camo! The irony.

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                        @inthehands
                        Just like "the medium is the message," the dress/uniform is the message —
                        https://mastodon.social/@RunRichRun/115956616524700159

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                        • JennyT Jenny

                          @schwa @inthehands what a rude thing to say.

                          Edit: they either blocked me or deleted their post, so just to clarify, this was directed at Schwa for their rude comment, not Paul (whom I wholeheartedly support)

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                          @tiamat271 @inthehands

                          Yes, I have zero patience for useless snark right now.

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                          • Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)S Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)

                            @tiamat271 @inthehands

                            Yes, I have zero patience for useless snark right now.

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                            @stepheneb @tiamat271
                            I think we’re all more than a little raw right now, and grace is in short supply.

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                            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                              @ShadSterling @colo_lee
                              I don’t think that distinction applies. They •are• expressing who they are: they are assembling the costumes of violence and of fascism. They sullying the beautiful practice of cosplay by using it to express something horrible. But the expression is •genuine•. If anything, I wish more people had taken it seriously sooner: through their fashion choices, through the self-expression of costume, they are sincerely telling us who they are.

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                              @inthehands @colo_lee that’s true, and that’s something many of them were doing before they were hired into ICE. But they are also pretending to be something they’re not, in a way that seems related. They’re not soldiers with the skills to carry out military operations, the discipline to adhere to the rules of engagement, or the courage to engage a similarly armed opposition

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                              • S ShadSterling

                                @inthehands @colo_lee that’s true, and that’s something many of them were doing before they were hired into ICE. But they are also pretending to be something they’re not, in a way that seems related. They’re not soldiers with the skills to carry out military operations, the discipline to adhere to the rules of engagement, or the courage to engage a similarly armed opposition

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                                ShadSterling
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                                @inthehands @colo_lee I wonder if the use of the word “cosplay” derisively to describe that pretending contributed to people not taking seriously the threatening nature of their cosplay as a sincere expression

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                                • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

                                  @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

                                  A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

                                  Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

                                  One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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                                  @cross @inthehands this has always bothered me. It also sometimes shows up in some professions (aka doctors vs civilians)

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                                  • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

                                    @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

                                    A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

                                    Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

                                    One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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                                    @cross If they weren’t calling us civilians, they’d call us the enemy.

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                                    • WildRikkuW WildRikku

                                      @FinchHaven @inthehands This has nothing to do with LARP or cosplay. I see this pop up every now and then in discussions revolving around ICE, but it's just wrong. Both cosplay and LARP are about fandom and crafts, not violence. Violent forces will find no support in those communities, so please stop comparing.

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                                      @wildrikku @FinchHaven @inthehands more importantly, if you plan to use larp and cosplay hashtags, at least CW your stuff. I'm not reading the larp hashtags to have another column about american politics

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                                      • Mastodon MigrationM Mastodon Migration

                                        @inthehands

                                        Apparently they are also hanging all sorts of useless expensive "video game" paraphernalia on their weapons...

                                        https://www.patreon.com/posts/ice-guys-all-of-148797536

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                                        @mastodonmigration @inthehands gotta spend that $10K signing bonus on something

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                                        • su_liamS su_liam

                                          @cross If they weren’t calling us civilians, they’d call us the enemy.

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                                          @su_liam "hostiles", "natives", "savages"...

                                          @cross

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