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AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

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  • Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
    Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
    Firefox for Web Developers
    wrote last edited by
    #1

    AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

    For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

    Fabio Neves 🇨🇦🇧🇷F ArneBabA Trey PiepmeierT Michele AdduciM The Psychotic Network FerretN 13 Replies Last reply
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    • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

      AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

      For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

      Fabio Neves 🇨🇦🇧🇷F This user is from outside of this forum
      Fabio Neves 🇨🇦🇧🇷F This user is from outside of this forum
      Fabio Neves 🇨🇦🇧🇷
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      @firefoxwebdevs Great. Make it the default. Listen to the survey.

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      • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

        AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

        For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

        ArneBabA This user is from outside of this forum
        ArneBabA This user is from outside of this forum
        ArneBab
        wrote last edited by
        #3

        @firefoxwebdevs that UI looks like someone really wanted to rub in the face of users "you are missing out on".

        - form with long description text
        - use "block" as naming instead of a plain "disable" (implies that this is a strong action on my part)
        - big warning popup that names all the things again
        - showing all the things anyway (but I just said no! Respect that!)

        Dial FOMO to 100.

        That feels really wrong.

        Manipulative.

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        • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

          AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

          For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

          Trey PiepmeierT This user is from outside of this forum
          Trey PiepmeierT This user is from outside of this forum
          Trey Piepmeier
          wrote last edited by
          #4

          @firefoxwebdevs Great! Now make AI opt-in, not opt-out!

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          • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

            AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

            For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

            Michele AdduciM This user is from outside of this forum
            Michele AdduciM This user is from outside of this forum
            Michele Adduci
            wrote last edited by
            #5

            @firefoxwebdevs please, set the block as active by default and only set AI features as "opt-in"

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            • ArneBabA ArneBab

              @firefoxwebdevs that UI looks like someone really wanted to rub in the face of users "you are missing out on".

              - form with long description text
              - use "block" as naming instead of a plain "disable" (implies that this is a strong action on my part)
              - big warning popup that names all the things again
              - showing all the things anyway (but I just said no! Respect that!)

              Dial FOMO to 100.

              That feels really wrong.

              Manipulative.

              Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
              Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
              Firefox for Web Developers
              wrote last edited by
              #6

              @ArneBab "block" was picked deliberately, as it's removing all entry points to the feature, not just disabling the feature (e.g. disabled buttons are still there, but these are BLOCKED).

              It was important to show the features individually so you can control them individually. E.g. translation is something people explicitly wanted to be able to re-enable https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

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              • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                The Psychotic Network FerretN This user is from outside of this forum
                The Psychotic Network FerretN This user is from outside of this forum
                The Psychotic Network Ferret
                wrote last edited by
                #7

                @firefoxwebdevs Oh boy! The feature we shouldn't need, to kill off the features we never asked for!

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                • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                  AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                  For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                  mkjM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mkjM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mkj
                  wrote last edited by
                  #8

                  I know you'll likely get a whole bunch of negative feedback on Fedi for not going even further, but at least this appears to *clearly and unambiguously* put the user in control in a way that does not require digging through about:config settings and worrying about what an upgrade will do. So I am cautiously optimistic about this.

                  Can you say anything about when those of us who are on the ESR update track can expect to see this? Will there be a policy setting to control this?

                  @firefoxwebdevs

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                  • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                    AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                    For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                    Ray McCarthy
                    wrote last edited by
                    #9

                    @firefoxwebdevs
                    Why not ship a version with ZERO AI?

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                    • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                      @ArneBab "block" was picked deliberately, as it's removing all entry points to the feature, not just disabling the feature (e.g. disabled buttons are still there, but these are BLOCKED).

                      It was important to show the features individually so you can control them individually. E.g. translation is something people explicitly wanted to be able to re-enable https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

                      Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ray McCarthy
                      wrote last edited by
                      #10

                      @firefoxwebdevs @ArneBab
                      No, you've lost the plot!

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                      • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                        AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                        For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                        Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                        Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                        Ray McCarthy
                        wrote last edited by
                        #11

                        @firefoxwebdevs
                        And WHY were these "True" by default?
                        Why once even re-enabled?

                        Mozilla isn't trustworthy.

                        The so-called ML is an invasion of privacy and a waste of computing resource.

                        Go back to a Classic Firefox that's ONLY a browser and repects OS GUI look & feel instead of copying Google.

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                        • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                          AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                          For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                          Mike Taylor 🦕M This user is from outside of this forum
                          Mike Taylor 🦕M This user is from outside of this forum
                          Mike Taylor 🦕
                          wrote last edited by
                          #12

                          @firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web, and people want very different things from it. We’ve heard from many who want nothing to do with AI. We’ve also heard from others who want AI tools that are genuinely useful."

                          Have you? Because I've literally only heard the former. See e.g. virtually every one of the 966 comments on https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922

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                          • Ray McCarthyR Ray McCarthy

                            @firefoxwebdevs
                            And WHY were these "True" by default?
                            Why once even re-enabled?

                            Mozilla isn't trustworthy.

                            The so-called ML is an invasion of privacy and a waste of computing resource.

                            Go back to a Classic Firefox that's ONLY a browser and repects OS GUI look & feel instead of copying Google.

                            Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
                            Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
                            Firefox for Web Developers
                            wrote last edited by
                            #13

                            @raymaccarthy about:config isn't intended to be for user settings. That's why we've created a dedicated AI controls page, and we're the first to do so.

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                            • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                              AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                              For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                              TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
                              TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
                              Tariq
                              wrote last edited by
                              #14

                              @firefoxwebdevs

                              credit where credit is due

                              I'm still going to use Librewolf as trust on telemetry and ad-partnerships is not yet restored

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                              • mkjM mkj

                                I know you'll likely get a whole bunch of negative feedback on Fedi for not going even further, but at least this appears to *clearly and unambiguously* put the user in control in a way that does not require digging through about:config settings and worrying about what an upgrade will do. So I am cautiously optimistic about this.

                                Can you say anything about when those of us who are on the ESR update track can expect to see this? Will there be a policy setting to control this?

                                @firefoxwebdevs

                                Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
                                Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
                                Firefox for Web Developers
                                wrote last edited by
                                #15

                                @mkj I don't know the answer to this off the top of my head, but I'll find out and get back to you.

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                                • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                                  AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                  For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                  Ted's Tech TipsT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Ted's Tech TipsT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Ted's Tech Tips
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @firefoxwebdevs This is FANTASTIC! Thank you guys for listening to feedback!

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                                  • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                                    @raymaccarthy about:config isn't intended to be for user settings. That's why we've created a dedicated AI controls page, and we're the first to do so.

                                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Ray McCarthyR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Ray McCarthy
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @firefoxwebdevs
                                    You are missing the point!

                                    The features should not exist! So then no need for a master switch in the main settings.

                                    Firefox has got so broken it needs loads of settings changed in About.config and even then is LESS USEABLE than 10 or 15 years ago.

                                    I've been using Websites since 1994. Mosaic, Netscape, Firefox.

                                    Of course I've used most of the others.

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                                    • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                                      @ArneBab "block" was picked deliberately, as it's removing all entry points to the feature, not just disabling the feature (e.g. disabled buttons are still there, but these are BLOCKED).

                                      It was important to show the features individually so you can control them individually. E.g. translation is something people explicitly wanted to be able to re-enable https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

                                      ArneBabA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      ArneBabA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      ArneBab
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                                      #18

                                      @firefoxwebdevs so i "re-enable" stuff I want after "blocking"?

                                      re-enable calls for "disable" as the other part.

                                      What that "block" does is "set default to disable" and "disable all" that we all know from the law-compliant cookie-banners.

                                      Or rather: "make AI opt-in".

                                      Suggestion that does not feel manipulative:

                                      Button [disable all] ⇒ disables all AI options.

                                      Added Option: [enable future AI features by default] ← gets disabled alongside the individual options when clicking [disable all].

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                                      • ArneBabA ArneBab

                                        @firefoxwebdevs so i "re-enable" stuff I want after "blocking"?

                                        re-enable calls for "disable" as the other part.

                                        What that "block" does is "set default to disable" and "disable all" that we all know from the law-compliant cookie-banners.

                                        Or rather: "make AI opt-in".

                                        Suggestion that does not feel manipulative:

                                        Button [disable all] ⇒ disables all AI options.

                                        Added Option: [enable future AI features by default] ← gets disabled alongside the individual options when clicking [disable all].

                                        Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Firefox for Web DevelopersF This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Firefox for Web Developers
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #19

                                        @ArneBab it doesn't just disable all existing feature, it also auto-disables future AI features, or 'blocks' them from even appearing in the UI.

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                                        • Firefox for Web DevelopersF Firefox for Web Developers

                                          AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                          For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                          EpiphanyWaxW This user is from outside of this forum
                                          EpiphanyWaxW This user is from outside of this forum
                                          EpiphanyWax
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #20

                                          @firefoxwebdevs Too little. Too late.

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