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  • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

    Two things:
    1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

    2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

    KanaMaunaK This user is from outside of this forum
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    KanaMauna
    wrote last edited by
    #40

    @Ashedryden

    With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.

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    • KanaMaunaK KanaMauna

      @Ashedryden

      With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.

      Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
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      #41
      @KanaMauna @Ashedryden "State actor" is a peculiar way of describing the legislative body of a country, but it isn't wrong.
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      • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

        Two things:
        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

        Lord BowlichL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #42

        @Ashedryden

        I think for a lot of us this is already the case that we just don’t computer the way the majority do: we don’t use the same OS, applications, browsers, chat apps, social networks, search engines, media, or even read the same news.

        We interact with corporate silos through sock puppets. Which ID laws will close that loop. And we’ll be forced to decide if we want to keep a prescience on that side of the wall at all.

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        • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

          Two things:
          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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          Cress
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          #43

          @Ashedryden if its done right they will be using federation with an identity provider whom people do trust, but I doubt that will happen as identity in itself = $$$ in the marketing world.

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          • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

            RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

            Two things:
            1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

            2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

            CenbeC This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #44

            @Ashedryden But why on god's green earth would you want to use Discord?

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            • KanaMaunaK KanaMauna

              @Ashedryden

              With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.

              Crazy PonyC This user is from outside of this forum
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              #45

              @KanaMauna @Ashedryden
              Thats quite sure, states are either already fascist or at least having actors preparing that way, making sure that people are anywhere ever identified is very important for them

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              • NetravenN Netraven

                @Ashedryden I wish people could of ALWAYS seen this coming.

                Owl EyesD This user is from outside of this forum
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                Owl Eyes
                wrote last edited by
                #46

                @Netraven @Ashedryden those with so-called "Cassandra Syndrome" could have warned of this, but are, alas, cursed with being ignored.
                #actuallyautistic @autistics

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                • BeauM Beau

                  @Ashedryden teamspeak is great for voice, but someone NEEDS to make a better alternative for chatting. i haven't found a platform that works nearly as well as discord, and it sucks.

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                  #47

                  @mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:

                  https://autistics.life/@d1/116024756035274849

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                  • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                    Two things:
                    1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                    2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                    softproof
                    wrote last edited by
                    #48

                    @Ashedryden Fully agree with you on 2.
                    As for two-tier internet - ever since some clever clogs came up with the magic word "premium", segregation was born. Not too many complaints neither, looks like.

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                    • Owl EyesD Owl Eyes

                      @mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:

                      https://autistics.life/@d1/116024756035274849

                      BeauM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Beau
                      wrote last edited by
                      #49

                      @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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                      • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                        Two things:
                        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                        diana πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦‹πŸŒ±D This user is from outside of this forum
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                        diana πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦‹πŸŒ±
                        wrote last edited by
                        #50

                        @Ashedryden

                        And someone is going to make a random identity generator page of any country you choose and random faces of different poses. Complete with random lists of where you went to school, first pet, etc, in a printable fact page. What are they going to do, try and verify?

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                        • BeauM Beau

                          @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

                          Owl EyesD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #51

                          @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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                          • BeauM Beau

                            @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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                            #52

                            @mochabeau @Ashedryden as to teamspeak, I would personally try to find something #OpenSource

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                            • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                              Two things:
                              1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                              2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                              #53

                              @Ashedryden You can still chat by typing without the video on IRC.

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                              • Koen Hufkens, PhDK Koen Hufkens, PhD

                                @Ashedryden Someone should make a biometric randomization app already, which takes your likeness and then change the core face metrics randomly.

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                                #54

                                @koen_hufkens @Ashedryden bio-obfuscation, basically a deepfake where the end face is ai generated.

                                A pretty good idea.
                                The hardest part is doing it in a undetectable way (catching the camera feed and changing it before it reaches the requesting app)

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                                • retechR retech

                                  @Ashedryden What protections do we have as users? None. I'll willingly go into the dark over this. Eventually I'll have to use pigeons and smoke signals to communicate with the world.

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                                  @retech @Ashedryden

                                  Can't rely on pigeons either...

                                  https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/faq

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                                  • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                    Two things:
                                    1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                    2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                                    Bill HalcyonB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Bill Halcyon
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #56

                                    @Ashedryden

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                                    • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                      Two things:
                                      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                                      #57

                                      @Ashedryden @wellingtonrock @verge

                                      My initial feeling that someone simply wants to kill such platforms entirely.

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                                      • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                        Two things:
                                        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                                        Pete Prodoehl πŸ•R This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #58

                                        @Ashedryden It's more likely I'll be giving up the services that require these things.

                                        Some will be difficult, of course, but if enough of us do walk away will that have an impact?

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                                        • Owl EyesD Owl Eyes

                                          @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

                                          DebacleD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Debacle
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #59

                                          @d1 @mochabeau @Ashedryden

                                          IMHO, #Movim by @movim is pretty good. And it's all standard #XMPP, i.e. no vendor lock-in.

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