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  • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

    Two things:
    1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

    2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

    γ•γ‚ˆγͺγ‚‰ηš†γ•γ‚“S This user is from outside of this forum
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    γ•γ‚ˆγͺγ‚‰ηš†γ•γ‚“
    wrote last edited by
    #33

    @Ashedryden astute.

    This really is the start of a a two tiered internet. πŸ›œ I just wonder - will the majority of folks go for this? In my heart I feel like they will. To appear β€œnormal” will be to completely give up all online anonymity. (As if we had that to begin with)

    The implications of this will be felt in the short term, and I wonder just how many I.C.E detainments (here in the U.S) this will lead to.

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    • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

      Two things:
      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

      Cyber YukiY This user is from outside of this forum
      Cyber YukiY This user is from outside of this forum
      Cyber Yuki
      wrote last edited by
      #34

      @Ashedryden I've felt this.

      I've been searching for alternative ways to get music only to find albums don't get sold anymore; it's always Spotify.

      It's a crushing pressure from the industry. FOMO to the max level.

      I'm stubborn and I can take it, but most people - especially teenagers - don't have what it takes to resist the encroachment of techno feudalism on entertainment.

      And I even miss hearing my old music.

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      • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

        Two things:
        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

        MykN This user is from outside of this forum
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        Myk
        wrote last edited by
        #35

        @Ashedryden https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/10-not-so-hidden-dangers-age-verification

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        • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

          Two things:
          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

          su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
          su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
          su_liam
          wrote last edited by
          #36

          @Ashedryden There’s always the dark web.

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          • Cyber YukiY Cyber Yuki

            @Ashedryden I've felt this.

            I've been searching for alternative ways to get music only to find albums don't get sold anymore; it's always Spotify.

            It's a crushing pressure from the industry. FOMO to the max level.

            I'm stubborn and I can take it, but most people - especially teenagers - don't have what it takes to resist the encroachment of techno feudalism on entertainment.

            And I even miss hearing my old music.

            su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
            su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
            su_liam
            wrote last edited by
            #37

            @yuki2501 @Ashedryden Time to break out that piratebay.

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            • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

              Two things:
              1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

              2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

              MelissaM This user is from outside of this forum
              MelissaM This user is from outside of this forum
              Melissa
              wrote last edited by
              #38

              @Ashedryden Instant account deletion for me. There's no way I trust random platforms with a copy of my ID.

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              • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                Two things:
                1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                CetrariaC This user is from outside of this forum
                CetrariaC This user is from outside of this forum
                Cetraria
                wrote last edited by
                #39

                @Ashedryden oh yeah, no. I was literally just thinking about how I've never really gotten the hang of Discord. The signal to noise ratio is just so far off, I just kinda forget it exists.

                I'll definitely be peacing out on that one.

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                • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                  Two things:
                  1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                  2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                  KanaMaunaK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  KanaMauna
                  wrote last edited by
                  #40

                  @Ashedryden

                  With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.

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                  • KanaMaunaK KanaMauna

                    @Ashedryden

                    With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.

                    Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                    Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                    Hypolite Petovan
                    wrote last edited by
                    #41
                    @KanaMauna @Ashedryden "State actor" is a peculiar way of describing the legislative body of a country, but it isn't wrong.
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                    • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                      Two things:
                      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                      Lord BowlichL This user is from outside of this forum
                      Lord BowlichL This user is from outside of this forum
                      Lord Bowlich
                      wrote last edited by
                      #42

                      @Ashedryden

                      I think for a lot of us this is already the case that we just don’t computer the way the majority do: we don’t use the same OS, applications, browsers, chat apps, social networks, search engines, media, or even read the same news.

                      We interact with corporate silos through sock puppets. Which ID laws will close that loop. And we’ll be forced to decide if we want to keep a prescience on that side of the wall at all.

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                      • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                        Two things:
                        1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                        2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

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                        Cress
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                        #43

                        @Ashedryden if its done right they will be using federation with an identity provider whom people do trust, but I doubt that will happen as identity in itself = $$$ in the marketing world.

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                        • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                          Two things:
                          1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                          2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                          CenbeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Cenbe
                          wrote last edited by
                          #44

                          @Ashedryden But why on god's green earth would you want to use Discord?

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                          • KanaMaunaK KanaMauna

                            @Ashedryden

                            With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.

                            Crazy PonyC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Crazy Pony
                            wrote last edited by
                            #45

                            @KanaMauna @Ashedryden
                            Thats quite sure, states are either already fascist or at least having actors preparing that way, making sure that people are anywhere ever identified is very important for them

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                            • NetravenN Netraven

                              @Ashedryden I wish people could of ALWAYS seen this coming.

                              Owl EyesD This user is from outside of this forum
                              Owl EyesD This user is from outside of this forum
                              Owl Eyes
                              wrote last edited by
                              #46

                              @Netraven @Ashedryden those with so-called "Cassandra Syndrome" could have warned of this, but are, alas, cursed with being ignored.
                              #actuallyautistic @autistics

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                              • BeauM Beau

                                @Ashedryden teamspeak is great for voice, but someone NEEDS to make a better alternative for chatting. i haven't found a platform that works nearly as well as discord, and it sucks.

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                                Owl Eyes
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                                #47

                                @mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:

                                https://autistics.life/@d1/116024756035274849

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                                • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                  Two things:
                                  1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                  2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                                  softproofS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  softproof
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #48

                                  @Ashedryden Fully agree with you on 2.
                                  As for two-tier internet - ever since some clever clogs came up with the magic word "premium", segregation was born. Not too many complaints neither, looks like.

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                                  • Owl EyesD Owl Eyes

                                    @mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:

                                    https://autistics.life/@d1/116024756035274849

                                    BeauM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Beau
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #49

                                    @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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                                    • Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›A Ashe Dryden πŸ™†πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸˆπŸˆβ€β¬›

                                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

                                      Two things:
                                      1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web

                                      2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me

                                      diana πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦‹πŸŒ±D This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      diana πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ¦‹πŸŒ±
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #50

                                      @Ashedryden

                                      And someone is going to make a random identity generator page of any country you choose and random faces of different poses. Complete with random lists of where you went to school, first pet, etc, in a printable fact page. What are they going to do, try and verify?

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                                      • BeauM Beau

                                        @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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                                        Owl Eyes
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #51

                                        @mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.

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                                        • BeauM Beau

                                          @d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often

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                                          Owl Eyes
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #52

                                          @mochabeau @Ashedryden as to teamspeak, I would personally try to find something #OpenSource

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