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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

    David SP This user is from outside of this forum
    David SP This user is from outside of this forum
    David S
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    @cstross

    Sounds a bit like Jack Gilmour

    https://www.goodreads.com/series/375633-wish-lawyer-law-is-hell

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

      wiredfoolW This user is from outside of this forum
      wiredfoolW This user is from outside of this forum
      wiredfool
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      @cstross Sounds a bit like some of Max Gladstones work.

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      • leyrerL leyrer

        @cstross your brain wouldn't stop, throwing ideass at you, would it?

        towoT This user is from outside of this forum
        towoT This user is from outside of this forum
        towo
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        @leyrer
        Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
        @cstross

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

          molosovsky  πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—M This user is from outside of this forum
          molosovsky  πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—M This user is from outside of this forum
          molosovsky πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—
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          @cstross See real world demonology and immortality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juridical_person

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          • towoT towo

            @leyrer
            Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
            @cstross

            leyrerL This user is from outside of this forum
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            leyrer
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            @towo I saw that πŸ˜„

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

              Marco AntoniottiM This user is from outside of this forum
              Marco AntoniottiM This user is from outside of this forum
              Marco Antoniotti
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              @cstross may I suggest Katarina Pistor's "The Code of Capital"?

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                ElectropictE This user is from outside of this forum
                ElectropictE This user is from outside of this forum
                Electropict
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                @cstross

                I think we're just about there IRL.

                Someone just needs to pitch it to the VCs and obtainable politicians:

                LLM bots that not only mimic your features, voice and writing style, but also can maintain your legal existence, rights, liabilities and specifically copyrights until the heat death of capitalism.

                There's money to be made, or rather, kept...

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                  xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯X This user is from outside of this forum
                  xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯X This user is from outside of this forum
                  xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯
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                  #21

                  @cstross
                  That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                    Wolf_BaginskiW This user is from outside of this forum
                    Wolf_BaginskiW This user is from outside of this forum
                    Wolf_Baginski
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                    @cstross

                    Driven a little bit by personal experience, would these particular Contract Lawyers be Barristers? I had to pay one for specialised legal advice, not for representation in court.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                      SeachaintS This user is from outside of this forum
                      SeachaintS This user is from outside of this forum
                      Seachaint
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                      @cstross If you haven't yet seen the show "Extraordinary", it's a must watch. There's a character in it who can do sΓ©ance-style summonings of the dead, so of course her job is to work with lawyers untangling wills and titles πŸ™‚

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                      • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                        @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                        Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Charlie Stross
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                        @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                          Kenny ParkK This user is from outside of this forum
                          Kenny ParkK This user is from outside of this forum
                          Kenny Park
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                          @cstross There was a very funny story on Escape Pod years ago (or it might have been its horror spin-off) with exactly that premise, and the dead were made to work in call centres until their debts were settled.

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                            LordWoolamalooL This user is from outside of this forum
                            LordWoolamalooL This user is from outside of this forum
                            LordWoolamaloo
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                            @cstross I seem to recall Whedon had a subplot like this in an episode of Buffy spinoff, Angel. One character breaks into the satanic legal agency, fights to the secure contracts and destroys the one that bound a now deceased woman he was close to, even after death. But it just reforms, and her spirit thanks him for trying, but she knew this when she signed, it was "forever"

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

                              InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                              InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                              Infoseepage
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                              @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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                              • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                                @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

                                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Infoseepage
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                                @cstross Lately, caught a few episodes of The Beauty, which is about a lab created immortality virus which gets loose, mutates and is sexually transmissible. It radically reshapes individuals for youth, health and beauty, but comes with a ticking time bomb of spontaneous combustion within a few years of infection unless you get an expensive suppressive shot. Sort of the ultimate in "the first one is always free" perpetual rent seeking.

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                                • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                                  @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

                                  Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Charlie Stross
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                                  @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                    HighlandLawyerH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    HighlandLawyer
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                                    @cstross
                                    Tales from the Black Chamber

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

                                      InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Infoseepage
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                                      @cstross I've read your stuff fairly comprehensively, but somehow missed that one. Tossing it on my list now.

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                        ALFA This user is from outside of this forum
                                        ALFA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @cstross

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                          Human Ass EthenesH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Human Ass Ethenes
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                                          @cstross The Orzhov Syndicate would like a word.

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