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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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    @cstross If you haven't yet seen the show "Extraordinary", it's a must watch. There's a character in it who can do sΓ©ance-style summonings of the dead, so of course her job is to work with lawyers untangling wills and titles πŸ™‚

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    • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

      @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

      Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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      Charlie Stross
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      @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

        Kenny ParkK This user is from outside of this forum
        Kenny ParkK This user is from outside of this forum
        Kenny Park
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        @cstross There was a very funny story on Escape Pod years ago (or it might have been its horror spin-off) with exactly that premise, and the dead were made to work in call centres until their debts were settled.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

          LordWoolamalooL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @cstross I seem to recall Whedon had a subplot like this in an episode of Buffy spinoff, Angel. One character breaks into the satanic legal agency, fights to the secure contracts and destroys the one that bound a now deceased woman he was close to, even after death. But it just reforms, and her spirit thanks him for trying, but she knew this when she signed, it was "forever"

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

            InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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            @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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            • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

              @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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              @cstross Lately, caught a few episodes of The Beauty, which is about a lab created immortality virus which gets loose, mutates and is sexually transmissible. It radically reshapes individuals for youth, health and beauty, but comes with a ticking time bomb of spontaneous combustion within a few years of infection unless you get an expensive suppressive shot. Sort of the ultimate in "the first one is always free" perpetual rent seeking.

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              • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

                Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                Charlie Stross
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                @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                  HighlandLawyerH This user is from outside of this forum
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                  HighlandLawyer
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                  @cstross
                  Tales from the Black Chamber

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

                    InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Infoseepage
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                    @cstross I've read your stuff fairly comprehensively, but somehow missed that one. Tossing it on my list now.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                      @cstross

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                        @cstross The Orzhov Syndicate would like a word.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                          Angus McIntyreA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Angus McIntyre
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                          @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

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                          • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                            @cstross I've read your stuff fairly comprehensively, but somehow missed that one. Tossing it on my list now.

                            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                            Charlie Stross
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                            @Infoseepage A thing i should have made clear in the front matter is that "the glasshouse" is old British army slang for a military prison.

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                            • David GerardD David Gerard

                              @cstross 3dfx inspired, right?

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                              Michael Kohne
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                              @davidgerard @cstross Sounds like a mix of the Laundry's 'residual assets' is it? With Max Gladstone's stuff. Neat!

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                              • LordWoolamalooL LordWoolamaloo

                                @cstross I seem to recall Whedon had a subplot like this in an episode of Buffy spinoff, Angel. One character breaks into the satanic legal agency, fights to the secure contracts and destroys the one that bound a now deceased woman he was close to, even after death. But it just reforms, and her spirit thanks him for trying, but she knew this when she signed, it was "forever"

                                Tarah WheelerT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Tarah Wheeler
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                                @LordWoolamaloo @cstross came here to say this.

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                  Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE πŸ”ΆA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE πŸ”Ά
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                                  @cstross
                                  There's something of this in Max Gladstone's Craft sequences.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                    Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:​M This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @cstross ah, a fantasy version of RoboCop

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                      RedMeepleRyan 🎲🦯
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                                      @cstross Just when you thought you were out, iteas for a Laundry Files anthology pull you back in. *chuckles darkly* πŸ™‚

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                        ThePdogT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        ThePdog
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                                        @cstross Great concept. Maybe after you finish your sequel?

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                          Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified: πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified: πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ
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                                          @cstross While this idea is quite different, for some reason it reminded me of the Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I. Series by Kevin J. Anderson, which I enjoyed quite a lot & wished there was more of.

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