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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

    @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

      HighlandLawyerH This user is from outside of this forum
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      HighlandLawyer
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      @cstross
      Tales from the Black Chamber

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

        InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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        @cstross I've read your stuff fairly comprehensively, but somehow missed that one. Tossing it on my list now.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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          ALF
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          @cstross

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

            Human Ass EthenesH This user is from outside of this forum
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            @cstross The Orzhov Syndicate would like a word.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

              Angus McIntyreA This user is from outside of this forum
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              Angus McIntyre
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              @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

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              • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                @cstross I've read your stuff fairly comprehensively, but somehow missed that one. Tossing it on my list now.

                Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Infoseepage A thing i should have made clear in the front matter is that "the glasshouse" is old British army slang for a military prison.

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                • David GerardD David Gerard

                  @cstross 3dfx inspired, right?

                  Michael KohneM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @davidgerard @cstross Sounds like a mix of the Laundry's 'residual assets' is it? With Max Gladstone's stuff. Neat!

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                  • LordWoolamalooL LordWoolamaloo

                    @cstross I seem to recall Whedon had a subplot like this in an episode of Buffy spinoff, Angel. One character breaks into the satanic legal agency, fights to the secure contracts and destroys the one that bound a now deceased woman he was close to, even after death. But it just reforms, and her spirit thanks him for trying, but she knew this when she signed, it was "forever"

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                    @LordWoolamaloo @cstross came here to say this.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                      Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE πŸ”ΆA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE πŸ”Ά
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                      @cstross
                      There's something of this in Max Gladstone's Craft sequences.

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                        Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:​M This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @cstross ah, a fantasy version of RoboCop

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                          RedMeepleRyan 🎲🦯
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                          @cstross Just when you thought you were out, iteas for a Laundry Files anthology pull you back in. *chuckles darkly* πŸ™‚

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                            ThePdogT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @cstross Great concept. Maybe after you finish your sequel?

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                              Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified: πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @cstross While this idea is quite different, for some reason it reminded me of the Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I. Series by Kevin J. Anderson, which I enjoyed quite a lot & wished there was more of.

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                              • Fucking bitch Martin VermeerM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @xChaos @moira @cstross In Dutch even the same word: schuld.

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                                • ElectropictE Electropict

                                  @cstross

                                  I think we're just about there IRL.

                                  Someone just needs to pitch it to the VCs and obtainable politicians:

                                  LLM bots that not only mimic your features, voice and writing style, but also can maintain your legal existence, rights, liabilities and specifically copyrights until the heat death of capitalism.

                                  There's money to be made, or rather, kept...

                                  Matthew KenworthyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @electropict This is very close to Vernor Vinge's novella "The Cookie Monster" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                    Dean L. SurkinD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                                    • Angus McIntyreA Angus McIntyre

                                      @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

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                                      @angusm @cstross
                                      Should we ever be able to map individual human consciousness, including memories, completely and accurately from human brains the notion of a "debtor's Hell" could become a reality, at least as far as using human minds as computers for unpaid labour is concerned.

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                                      • Dean L. SurkinD Dean L. Surkin

                                        @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

                                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @dsurkin Yes, I have a signed first edition copy. (It also has a thinly-disguised Elon Musk style entrepreneur who buys up all the bankrupt hells and runs hells as a software service on behalf of their creators.)

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                                        • ALFA ALF

                                          @cstross

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                                          Morten Juhl-Johansen
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                                          @Astronomy_A2Z @cstross That is basically what happens to me at work wheneverI have had a heavy lunch.
                                          A resurrection effort around 1 PM.

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