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A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight.

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  • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

    @_elena Thank you! Sure, I will 👍
    But, to be honest, I don't think any of those stories will ever be a film.

    The big, most scary one is yet to come, anyway...

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    @stefano I don't know, you told this short story like a pro. Starts out, ya, data center suddenly goes dark over the holidays. UPS fails, kinda of ya, ya , still interesting then you introduce the gold, two-meter thick walls, professional thieves, wow, that's some drama! Although, I wonder how they were able to send such a massive power surge down the lines and why the bus mains didn't blow before the equipment was damaged? Looking forward to your next tale!

    @_elena

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      @EnigmaRotor @stefano or the case of the red fire button killer

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      • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

        A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

        I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

        The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

        To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

        The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

        That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

        The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

        The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

        Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

        Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

        #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

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        @stefano thanks for sharing this.

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        • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

          A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

          I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

          The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

          To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

          The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

          That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

          The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

          The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

          Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

          Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

          #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

          Pedro BufulinP This user is from outside of this forum
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          @stefano why do you assume that via 4G there would be connectivity? I don't get this part, what am I missing?
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          • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

            A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

            I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

            The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

            To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

            The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

            That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

            The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

            The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

            Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

            Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

            #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

            William Weber BerruttiW This user is from outside of this forum
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            @stefano This is a pretty important knowledge to have! I bookmarked for future reference!

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            • Space flip-flopsF Space flip-flops

              @stefano
              Third, given it's a data center, power consumption is probably tens of KW. The "gang" could probably be killed in action playing with it.
              Fourth, if there is a power spike and cut off, it won't go unnoticed by those who control power lines. They will be the first on site to see what happened.

              Stefano MarinelliS This user is from outside of this forum
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              @fisher It's not a bank, and it's definitely not a top-tier data center. It's just a trading company in a typical industrial area in Northern Italy, with fewer than 50 employees. They've only got four aging servers in a rack. Facilities like this don't need bank-grade security or the kind of resilience you'd find in a war zone. I wish it were fictional! 😃

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              • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

                I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

                The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

                To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

                The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

                That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

                The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

                The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

                Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

                Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

                #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

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                @stefano This immediately brought to mind coming into the office after a holiday weekend in 2005 and finding “my” computer room dark. I found our infrastructure manager, who told me that they had an unexpected power outage over the weekend. Confused, I said “But how is that possible? We have multiple feeds and a huge uninterruptible power supply!”

                I will never forget his response, delivered in his thick Scottish brogue: “Yes, we do. But it doesn’t do much good when the UPS catches fire.” 😳

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                • Bob TregilusE Bob Tregilus

                  @stefano I don't know, you told this short story like a pro. Starts out, ya, data center suddenly goes dark over the holidays. UPS fails, kinda of ya, ya , still interesting then you introduce the gold, two-meter thick walls, professional thieves, wow, that's some drama! Although, I wonder how they were able to send such a massive power surge down the lines and why the bus mains didn't blow before the equipment was damaged? Looking forward to your next tale!

                  @_elena

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                  @elaterite @_elena Fair question 🙂
                  I'm just relaying what I was told and what I know about the company, for which I've been providing some services for many years. The details came directly from their internal manager and, honestly, I didn't have much interest in digging deeper into the technical specifics of the incident.
                  My focus was simply making sure their servers were back up and running and that their data was safe. Everything else, electrical infrastructure, physical security, and similar aspects, is outside of my scope and handled by other people.

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                  • Pedro BufulinP Pedro Bufulin
                    @stefano why do you assume that via 4G there would be connectivity? I don't get this part, what am I missing?
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                    @pedro if the two FTTH providers are down, the router will use the failover 4g connection to reach my VPN (and alert me).

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                    • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                      @elaterite @_elena Fair question 🙂
                      I'm just relaying what I was told and what I know about the company, for which I've been providing some services for many years. The details came directly from their internal manager and, honestly, I didn't have much interest in digging deeper into the technical specifics of the incident.
                      My focus was simply making sure their servers were back up and running and that their data was safe. Everything else, electrical infrastructure, physical security, and similar aspects, is outside of my scope and handled by other people.

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                      @stefano Indeed. Still would be interesting to find out about the details of the infrastructure failure and how they pulled it off. Sounds like a good story for a documentary, especially if this is something that has happened in the past.

                      @_elena

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                      • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                        A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

                        I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

                        The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

                        To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

                        The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

                        That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

                        The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

                        The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

                        Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

                        Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

                        #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

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                        @stefano that's impressive. meanwhile I accidentally stumbled on your website:
                        You have shared many useful items in a thoughtful way. I appreciate it, and am glad to let you know. 😀

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                        • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                          @pedro if the two FTTH providers are down, the router will use the failover 4g connection to reach my VPN (and alert me).

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                          @stefano @pedro power line monitoring is important even for "normal" failures, because some are destructive.
                          Since 9/11 there are a few new spooky things, and one is modulating the power with pulses

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                          • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                            @bojanlandekic thank you! I'm just trying to spread some real life experiences

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                            @stefano it is the criminals among us who make life difficult for all. Not even the greatest sci-fi authors have been able to imagine how beautiful and fun a future we all would have without them!

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                            • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                              A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

                              I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

                              The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

                              To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

                              The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

                              That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

                              The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

                              The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

                              Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

                              Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

                              #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

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                              @stefano
                              Wow! Cool story

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                              • Bob TregilusE Bob Tregilus

                                @stefano Indeed. Still would be interesting to find out about the details of the infrastructure failure and how they pulled it off. Sounds like a good story for a documentary, especially if this is something that has happened in the past.

                                @_elena

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                                @elaterite @_elena The police are investigating, and I know some technicians are scheduled to go over in the next few days. There will also be an insurance report, so I’ll try to get some more information.

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                                • indyradioI indyradio

                                  @stefano that's impressive. meanwhile I accidentally stumbled on your website:
                                  You have shared many useful items in a thoughtful way. I appreciate it, and am glad to let you know. 😀

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                                  Stefano Marinelli
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                                  @indyradio thank you!!!

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                                  • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                    A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

                                    I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

                                    The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

                                    To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

                                    The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

                                    That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

                                    The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

                                    The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

                                    Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

                                    Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

                                    #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

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                                    @stefano Great story and appropriate setup!

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                                    • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                      A few days ago, a client’s data center (well, actually a server room) "vanished" overnight. My monitoring showed that all devices were unreachable. Not even the ISP routers responded, so I assumed a sudden connectivity drop. The strange part? Not even via 4G.

                                      I then suspected a power failure, but the UPS should have sent an alert.

                                      The office was closed for the holidays, but I contacted the IT manager anyway. He was home sick with a serious family issue, but he got moving.

                                      To make a long story short: the company deals in gold and precious metals. They have an underground bunker with two-meter thick walls. They were targeted by a professional gang. They used a tactic seen in similar hits: they identify the main power line, tamper with it at night, and send a massive voltage spike through it.

                                      The goal is to fry all alarm and surveillance systems. Even if battery-backed, they rarely survive a surge like that. Thieves count on the fact that during holidays, owners are away and fried systems can't send alerts. Monitoring companies often have reduced staff and might not notice the "silence" immediately.

                                      That is exactly what happened here. But there is a "but": they didn't account for my Uptime Kuma instance monitoring their MikroTik router, installed just weeks ago. Since it is an external check, it flagged the lack of response from all IPs without needing an internal alert to be triggered from the inside.

                                      The team rushed to the site and found the mess. Luckily, they found an emergency electrical crew to bypass the damage and restore the cameras and alarms. They swapped the fried server UPS with a spare and everything came back up.

                                      The police warned that the chances of the crew returning the next night to "finish" the job were high, though seeing the systems back online would likely make them move on. They also warned that thieves sometimes break in just to destroy servers to wipe any video evidence.

                                      Nothing happened in the end. But in the meantime, I had to sync all their data off-site (thankfully they have dual 1Gbps FTTH), set up an emergency cluster, and ensure everything was redundant.

                                      Never rely only on internal monitoring. Never.

                                      #IT #SysAdmin #HorrorStories #ITHorrorStories #Monitoring

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                                      @stefano
                                      Hey! Thanks for the inside story! I love happy endings.

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                                      • indyradioI indyradio

                                        @stefano @pedro power line monitoring is important even for "normal" failures, because some are destructive.
                                        Since 9/11 there are a few new spooky things, and one is modulating the power with pulses

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                                        @indyradio @stefano modulating power with pulses? What is that? How does that work? What does it achieve?

                                        I have so many questions...
                                        Honestly, I know nothing about electrical wizzardry, I went too deep into computer science and never really touched that layer much.
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                                        • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                          @pedro if the two FTTH providers are down, the router will use the failover 4g connection to reach my VPN (and alert me).

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                                          @stefano how do you think they managed to burn 4G? I suppose the battery for 4G should not even be in the same "grid" as the other stuff, right? (Im not sure anymore if I know how electricity works, guess I always took it for granted)
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