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  • Blake C. StaceyB Blake C. Stacey

    @vkc @trezzer I have *never* used middle-click-to-paste deliberately. It *always* gets me accidentally when I tap a laptop touchpad 0.5 centimetres in the wrong direction. That I have to turn it off separately in GNOME and in Firefox/Librewolf irritates me to no end.

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    @vkc @trezzer I mean, in order to prevent screwing up my documents, I have to (a) download a new package and then (b) dive into about:config and flip the boolean for middlemouse.paste. There should be one toggle in the plain old Settings box. I wouldn't care that much about what the default setting even is; the problem is that the simple toggle *does not exist*.

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    • dcbaokD dcbaok

      @vkc I don't know that it will ever happen, and yes the fear may not be rational, but if it becomes a second-class feature who's to say what future bug will be deemed too difficult to fix, and then the feature axed entirely.

      That being said I'm not out yelling about it, just watching from the sidelines. These are the first comments I've made about it.

      As for Gnome extensions... suffice it to say I've had my share of bad experiences with them, they can be pretty janky.

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      #43

      @vkc Different case, different feature, different context, but here's an earlier frustration with lefty copy-paste behavior On Computer.

      https://fosstodon.org/@dcbaok/114190896742139789

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      • Veronica ExplainsV This user is from outside of this forum
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        @glent "its role in the failure of desktop Linux"

        That's a GIGANTIC assumption. And is insulting to the hard working people who work on GNOME, many of whom had nothing to do with those so-called "insular design choices".

        It's open source, you can't force a team to do things your way. GNOME's foundation led to wonderful projects like Cinnamon, and I'd argue that the diversification has been a strength.

        IMO it's all needless harping on folks who have different opinions.

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        • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

          Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

          I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

          A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

          https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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          @vkc
          I've used Linux since 1995. I use it personally for fun, and I've used it professionally for 30 years, incuding some of the largest computers on earth. And I've used middle-click for that entire time.

          I love using Gnome, *because* it doesn't overwhelm me with options. It gets out of the way. And I think removing middle-click is the right decision. The utility just isn't worth the confusion - two clipboards and accidental middle-clicks still confuse me.

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          • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

            The way the article is written. The way the comments talk about it.

            Why do people make it sound like GNOME is some sort of secret cabal of Linux haters?

            It's a freaking desktop environment, they have every right to build it however they want, and you have every right to use something different. There's zero reason to get emotionally charged about it.

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            #46

            @vkc They do have a history of breaking workflows for no good reason. My first thought was "they are going to drop support for it in the future and then I'm going to have to find a new DE again, what a headache".

            Of course they have the right to do whatever they please but it shouldn't be surprising that the existing users whose lives it makes more difficult will complain.

            Whether they always hit the right tone with their complaints is another matter, to be sure.

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            • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

              Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

              I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

              A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

              https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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              @vkc
              My feelings exactly!! I love GNOME and if I didn't, I would just move to a different distro. Simple as that.

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              • BaaB Baa

                @vkc@linuxmom.net I'm not a fan of it either, never have been, it's also really hard to disable, even when switched off in Gnone, it still works in Firefox and the Terminal (in Ubuntu) and you can't disable it easily there ​​
                I think I heard it's an XORG thing, so maybe Wayland will change that, or it will be easier to control from Gnome, idk

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                #48

                @Baa @vkc I will rework my firefox path so it will be mirroring the gnome setting once I find some time, but till then (assuming it lands too) you can disable middlemouse.paste in about:config

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                • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

                  Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

                  I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

                  A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

                  https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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                  #49

                  @vkc I agree about making it opt-in, but given the legacy they ought to show it in the settings app not in some config file. If you upgrade your OS and it doesn't work like it's always worked before, it's reasonable to expect you could look in the mouse settings next to cursor and scroll speed

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                    #50

                    @bruce@darkmoon.social @vkc@linuxmom.net pro-tip: it's impossible to tell intentions of people over text. tone indicators are the way to go 🙂

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                    • Simon EiltingE Simon Eilting

                      @vkc They do have a history of breaking workflows for no good reason. My first thought was "they are going to drop support for it in the future and then I'm going to have to find a new DE again, what a headache".

                      Of course they have the right to do whatever they please but it shouldn't be surprising that the existing users whose lives it makes more difficult will complain.

                      Whether they always hit the right tone with their complaints is another matter, to be sure.

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                      #51

                      @vkc I also had no idea people were having trouble with middle-button paste, until I saw people's reactions to this change.

                      It's such a delightful little helper, saves 2 keyboard interactions, doesn't ever paste formatting, gives me an extra buffer... and I don't recall ever having trouble with it since Firefox stopped opening everything pasted into it as a URL, many years ago.

                      Now I wonder what it is that I can't get used to that everybody else thinks is the best thing ever.

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                      • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

                        Anyway, if you like GNOME and their design concepts, you're awesome and totally a valid user of Linux.

                        Sick of the absurd nonsense that says otherwise.

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                        @vkc ive been playing around with cosmic...its a gnome variant I'd say with tiling toggle per workspace. Very nice themeing features as well. Very new, but functional and snappy

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                        • SaorsaS Saorsa
                          It's frustration by the community using GNOME as they feel their interests aren't considered in the development process. This is a natural outcome in sociology.

                          When you use something, you typically have a vested interest in the prosperity of it. People tend to get frustrated when they feel ignored and some are passionate enough about it to voice their discontent.

                          I did the very same with you previously regarding paywalling your community.

                          *Edited.

                          @vkc@linuxmom.net
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                          @Saorsa@neondystopia.world @vkc@linuxmom.net worth noting most of those people dont use GNOME

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                            Ethin Probst
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                            @vkc Agreed. Although I wish wayland actually cared about accessibility

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                              @theodric@social.linux.pizza @vkc@linuxmom.net You're talking as if the desktop hurt you personally.

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                              • Simon EiltingE Simon Eilting

                                @vkc They do have a history of breaking workflows for no good reason. My first thought was "they are going to drop support for it in the future and then I'm going to have to find a new DE again, what a headache".

                                Of course they have the right to do whatever they please but it shouldn't be surprising that the existing users whose lives it makes more difficult will complain.

                                Whether they always hit the right tone with their complaints is another matter, to be sure.

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                                @eseilt@mastodon.scot @vkc@linuxmom.net

                                They do have a history of breaking workflows for no good reason.

                                https://xkcd.com/1172/

                                whose lives it makes more difficult will complain.

                                Is clicking some button difficult?

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                                • Janne MorenJ Janne Moren

                                  @vkc
                                  I've used Linux since 1995. I use it personally for fun, and I've used it professionally for 30 years, incuding some of the largest computers on earth. And I've used middle-click for that entire time.

                                  I love using Gnome, *because* it doesn't overwhelm me with options. It gets out of the way. And I think removing middle-click is the right decision. The utility just isn't worth the confusion - two clipboards and accidental middle-clicks still confuse me.

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                                  @vkc
                                  In general, being consistent, following standards and conforming to peoples expectations is more important than being optimal, in any sense.

                                  A great example is car control layout. The current two (or three) pedals and wheel layout can probably be improved. But not improved enough that it's worth disrupting the training and muscle memory of a billion people.

                                  Basic desktop controls are the same. Being consistent across all desktops is better than being optimal.

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                                    @glent@aus.social @vkc@linuxmom.net

                                    What fuels the anger is the annoyance at the lack of reflection within Gnome of its role in the failure of desktop Linux.

                                    Dude, are you fucking serious? 4% and constantly growing is a failure?

                                    It's some project made by volunteers in their free time, people who are still personally offended GNOME 2 era is gone are owed NOTHING.

                                    Most notably it's insular design choices in Gnome 3, and the early shipment of that non-ready software, reducing Linux's share of the market from MacOS levels to a third of that.

                                    What the fuck are you talking about? Serious question.

                                    Today, yet another insular design choice by Gnome

                                    Ah yes, because surely feature that is constant source of confusion to more people that can be counted is insulated from the user base. If we sticked to the desires of loud minorities, we would get nowhere.

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                                    • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

                                      The way the article is written. The way the comments talk about it.

                                      Why do people make it sound like GNOME is some sort of secret cabal of Linux haters?

                                      It's a freaking desktop environment, they have every right to build it however they want, and you have every right to use something different. There's zero reason to get emotionally charged about it.

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                                      chipa
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                                      @vkc totally agree, i usually listen this type of hate from Linux desktop gatekeepers. Looks like a sect

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                                      • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

                                        Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

                                        I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

                                        A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

                                        https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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                                        @vkc Oh ffs no! Middle click under X has never meant "Paste". It has always meant "Insert the Primary Selection here". Any change to this will break my workflow. For those of you who, for youth or for newness, have no idea what I'm talking about, this is a good write up: https://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html

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                                        • Veronica ExplainsV Veronica Explains

                                          Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

                                          I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

                                          A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

                                          https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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                                          They really said "I implore the GNOME team to spend a day using Windows with just your keyboard, it's useful" about them removing a feature from the mouse on Linux?
                                          I get that other tools can have some useful features, but... I don't see how that is relevant to the rest of the article at all?
                                          I'm also not a fan of arguments from tradition in general. ddate was included in util-linux until 2012(ish, I've also seen 2011), despite not really belonging there.
                                          Keeping it as an opt-in feature is what I think should happen, personally. I didn't even really look into disabling it, but I won't miss it
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