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  • KristieK Kristie

    Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

    The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

    Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

    Kim Possible :kimoji_fire:K This user is from outside of this forum
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    @kristiedegaris It took me a long time to realize that some people weren't mad at Hitler for what he'd done, but rather that he failed.

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    • KristieK Kristie

      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

      The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

      Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

      libramoonL This user is from outside of this forum
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      @kristiedegaris

      What every US citizen can simply do NOW

      we #US citizens need to immediately demand
      our #Congress impeach and convict Trump asap,
      or be #primaried by those who will
      write/phone/email/scream outside their offices

      find those candidates https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/
      https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

      contact your congressional representatives asap (before
      the primaries) to demand the return of our country, that
      they immediately impeach Trump! and Spread the word!

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      • KristieK Kristie

        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

        The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

        Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

        Mensch, MarinaE This user is from outside of this forum
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        @kristiedegaris We feel the same. We're heading into dark times. But I won't give up hope, that even in the USA at this advanced state of fascism the people will rise up and throw out that poisonous gov and all its supporters.
        The silver lining of all this: maybe Europe will finally learn to better stand together, become more independent from USA, but also China and Russia. We need to learn the benefits of solidarity again.

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        • KristieK Kristie

          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

          The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

          Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

          Linda ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡นL This user is from outside of this forum
          Linda ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡นL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didnโ€™t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didnโ€™t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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          • Mensch, MarinaE Mensch, Marina

            @kristiedegaris We feel the same. We're heading into dark times. But I won't give up hope, that even in the USA at this advanced state of fascism the people will rise up and throw out that poisonous gov and all its supporters.
            The silver lining of all this: maybe Europe will finally learn to better stand together, become more independent from USA, but also China and Russia. We need to learn the benefits of solidarity again.

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            @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

            Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a small window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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            • KristieK Kristie

              @xylophilist Also not a poppy type. I thought the whole point of memorialising was to remember. I feel constantly in shock.

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              @kristiedegaris It would be nice to think memorializing was a means to (retain) peace, but n'yeah...

              If you wander around town around Nov.11, you find commemoration displays tend to congregate around civic and church organizations - as distinct from, say, a random florist shop or swimming pool - a kind of nexus of tradition (one of my least favourite misfeatures of the human psyche).

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                @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didnโ€™t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didnโ€™t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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                @Lassielmr We're seeing a similar trend of emboldenment in the UK.

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                • KristieK Kristie

                  @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

                  Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a small window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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                  @kristiedegaris I sure hope so. And I hope our politicians finally will wake up, too and grow a spine strong enough to counter any intrusion and blackmail of Trump and his fascho criminals.

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                  • KristieK Kristie

                    Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                    The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                    Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                    Just Tom... ๐ŸT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @kristiedegaris
                    Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                    • Just Tom... ๐ŸT Just Tom... ๐Ÿ

                      @kristiedegaris
                      Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                      @tompearce49 I fully agree.

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                      • KristieK Kristie

                        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                        The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                        Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                        Barry GoldmanB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                          @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                          @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                          • KristieK Kristie

                            Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                            The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                            Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

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                            @kristiedegaris I donโ€™t think itโ€™s
                            #fascism- itโ€™s rather the tyranny of a madman, a kakistocracy in a kyriarchy. And all of this has its roots in the mentality of the Wild West in the #usa .
                            No one wanted to see that the last 200 years.
                            #minnesota #trumpism #ice

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                              What we honestly got wrong was letting them be in the shadows and not pursuing them to the ends of the earth. Will people learn this time? Probably not. We never really do. Fascism will always come back and there will never be much in the way.
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                              • KristieK Kristie

                                Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                                Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                                Arena Cops ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆโœŒA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @kristiedegaris There was a lesson to be learned from the rise & defeat of Nazi Germany.

                                It should've been taken seriously.

                                The people still can. And they should! Their voices & feet in the streets being the weapon of choice to defend their rule, their democracy!

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                                • KristieK Kristie

                                  @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                                  @kristiedegaris i think it is healthier for us to understand ourselves rather than hide our heads under the sand! then we could at least try to heal from a place of reality.

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                                  • KristieK Kristie

                                    Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                    The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                                    Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                                    Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @kristiedegaris

                                    The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

                                    Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

                                    Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

                                    1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

                                    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

                                    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

                                    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

                                    2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

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                                      @kristiedegaris

                                      The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

                                      Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

                                      Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

                                      1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

                                      https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

                                      https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

                                      https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

                                      2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

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                                      ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                                      https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                                      https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                                      https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                                      https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                                      3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                                      https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                                      https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                                      https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                      4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                                      https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                                      https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                                        ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                                        https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                                        https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                                        https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                                        https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                                        3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                                        https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                                        https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                                        https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                        4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                                        https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                                        https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                                        5. Every international institution had embedded Nazi quislings & collaborators
                                        https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/introducing-tbrs-traitor-of-the-week

                                        https://variety.com/2025/film/global/goteborg-quisling-erik-poppe-toronto-anders-danielsen-lie-1236283530/

                                        https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-mcconnell-blocks-election-security-bill-hours-after-muellers/

                                        https://www.npr.org/2019/09/20/762499808/senate-breaks-logjam-on-election-security-cash-but-activists-say-more-is-needed

                                        https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century

                                        6. Switzerland, Sweden, & Bank of England laundered looted gold.

                                        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-23513654

                                        https://www.rferl.org/a/1083119.html

                                        https://www.economist.com/europe/1998/07/02/swiss-banks-and-nazi-gold

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/politics/sec-crypto-winklevoss.html

                                        https://gizmodo.com/the-winklevoss-twins-are-eyeing-2-22-billion-crypto-ipo-2000652038

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/repatriate-the-gold-german-economists-advise-withdrawal-from-us-vaults

                                        https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/trump-media-es-family-trust-2022-loans

                                        https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/23/pardon-binance-founder-cz-trump.html

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                                        • KristieK Kristie

                                          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                          The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                                          Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

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                                          @kristiedegaris Mainly as tourist wife and me travelled a lot all over the UK, for 44 years now. There is a lot of Bad, but also Good. After Maggie, things did not improve for commoners. But we saw local social networks getting stronger. Through church, clubs, places-to-meet and talk and stay warm. Finally see that happening in The Netherlands too . There is lot of noise. That is not where it is happening.
                                          It is just there where it is needed.
                                          "To be the grain of sand building the dyke ".

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