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  • Tim ☑️     🔭🌃📷🪨🚴🌳X Tim ☑️ 🔭🌃📷🪨🚴🌳

    @kristiedegaris The lip-service becomes ceremonialized (becomes misunderstood) becomes a stance in its own right becomes the next cycle of aggression and revenge.

    (FWIW this is why I'm a not-even-white poppy type; nothing about the story of war, before/during/aftermath, deserves respect or amplification.)

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    @xylophilist Also not a poppy type. I thought the whole point of memorialising was to remember. I feel constantly in shock.

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    • KristieK Kristie

      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

      The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

      Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

      Kim Possible :kimoji_fire:K This user is from outside of this forum
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      @kristiedegaris It took me a long time to realize that some people weren't mad at Hitler for what he'd done, but rather that he failed.

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      • KristieK Kristie

        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

        The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

        Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

        libramoonL This user is from outside of this forum
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        @kristiedegaris

        What every US citizen can simply do NOW

        we #US citizens need to immediately demand
        our #Congress impeach and convict Trump asap,
        or be #primaried by those who will
        write/phone/email/scream outside their offices

        find those candidates https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/
        https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

        contact your congressional representatives asap (before
        the primaries) to demand the return of our country, that
        they immediately impeach Trump! and Spread the word!

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        • KristieK Kristie

          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

          The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

          Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

          Mensch, MarinaE This user is from outside of this forum
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          @kristiedegaris We feel the same. We're heading into dark times. But I won't give up hope, that even in the USA at this advanced state of fascism the people will rise up and throw out that poisonous gov and all its supporters.
          The silver lining of all this: maybe Europe will finally learn to better stand together, become more independent from USA, but also China and Russia. We need to learn the benefits of solidarity again.

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          • KristieK Kristie

            Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

            The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

            Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

            Linda 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🇮🇹L This user is from outside of this forum
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            @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didn’t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didn’t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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            • Mensch, MarinaE Mensch, Marina

              @kristiedegaris We feel the same. We're heading into dark times. But I won't give up hope, that even in the USA at this advanced state of fascism the people will rise up and throw out that poisonous gov and all its supporters.
              The silver lining of all this: maybe Europe will finally learn to better stand together, become more independent from USA, but also China and Russia. We need to learn the benefits of solidarity again.

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              @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

              Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a small window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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              • KristieK Kristie

                @xylophilist Also not a poppy type. I thought the whole point of memorialising was to remember. I feel constantly in shock.

                Tim ☑️     🔭🌃📷🪨🚴🌳X This user is from outside of this forum
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                @kristiedegaris It would be nice to think memorializing was a means to (retain) peace, but n'yeah...

                If you wander around town around Nov.11, you find commemoration displays tend to congregate around civic and church organizations - as distinct from, say, a random florist shop or swimming pool - a kind of nexus of tradition (one of my least favourite misfeatures of the human psyche).

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                • Linda 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🇮🇹L Linda 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🇮🇹

                  @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didn’t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didn’t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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                  @Lassielmr We're seeing a similar trend of emboldenment in the UK.

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                  • KristieK Kristie

                    @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

                    Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a small window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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                    @kristiedegaris I sure hope so. And I hope our politicians finally will wake up, too and grow a spine strong enough to counter any intrusion and blackmail of Trump and his fascho criminals.

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                    • KristieK Kristie

                      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                      The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                      Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

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                      @kristiedegaris
                      Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                      • Just Tom... 🐁T Just Tom... 🐁

                        @kristiedegaris
                        Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                        @tompearce49 I fully agree.

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                        • KristieK Kristie

                          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                          The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                          Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

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                          @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                            @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                            @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                            • KristieK Kristie

                              Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                              The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                              Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

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                              @kristiedegaris I don’t think it’s
                              #fascism- it’s rather the tyranny of a madman, a kakistocracy in a kyriarchy. And all of this has its roots in the mentality of the Wild West in the #usa .
                              No one wanted to see that the last 200 years.
                              #minnesota #trumpism #ice

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                              • Burning Joint USAG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                What we honestly got wrong was letting them be in the shadows and not pursuing them to the ends of the earth. Will people learn this time? Probably not. We never really do. Fascism will always come back and there will never be much in the way.
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                                • KristieK Kristie

                                  Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                  The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                                  Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

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                                  @kristiedegaris There was a lesson to be learned from the rise & defeat of Nazi Germany.

                                  It should've been taken seriously.

                                  The people still can. And they should! Their voices & feet in the streets being the weapon of choice to defend their rule, their democracy!

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                                  • KristieK Kristie

                                    @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                                    @kristiedegaris i think it is healthier for us to understand ourselves rather than hide our heads under the sand! then we could at least try to heal from a place of reality.

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                                    • KristieK Kristie

                                      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                      The world has witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

                                      Feeling deeply worried. For my kids. For us all.

                                      Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @kristiedegaris

                                      The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

                                      Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

                                      Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

                                      1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

                                      https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

                                      https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

                                      https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

                                      2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

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                                        @kristiedegaris

                                        The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

                                        Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

                                        Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

                                        1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

                                        https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

                                        https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

                                        https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

                                        2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

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                                        ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                                        https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                                        https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                                        https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                                        https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                                        3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                                        https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                                        https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                                        https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                        4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                                        https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                                        https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                                          ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                                          https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                                          https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                                          https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                                          https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                                          3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                                          https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                                          https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                                          https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                          4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                                          https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                                          https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                                          5. Every international institution had embedded Nazi quislings & collaborators
                                          https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/introducing-tbrs-traitor-of-the-week

                                          https://variety.com/2025/film/global/goteborg-quisling-erik-poppe-toronto-anders-danielsen-lie-1236283530/

                                          https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-mcconnell-blocks-election-security-bill-hours-after-muellers/

                                          https://www.npr.org/2019/09/20/762499808/senate-breaks-logjam-on-election-security-cash-but-activists-say-more-is-needed

                                          https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century

                                          6. Switzerland, Sweden, & Bank of England laundered looted gold.

                                          https://www.bbc.com/news/business-23513654

                                          https://www.rferl.org/a/1083119.html

                                          https://www.economist.com/europe/1998/07/02/swiss-banks-and-nazi-gold

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/politics/sec-crypto-winklevoss.html

                                          https://gizmodo.com/the-winklevoss-twins-are-eyeing-2-22-billion-crypto-ipo-2000652038

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/repatriate-the-gold-german-economists-advise-withdrawal-from-us-vaults

                                          https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/trump-media-es-family-trust-2022-loans

                                          https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/23/pardon-binance-founder-cz-trump.html

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