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I can’t believe we’re doing this again.

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  • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

    I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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    @malwaretech The weird thing about AI is that our computers now seem to become vulnerable to social engineering and psychological manipulation. In this case: Suggestion.

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    • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

      I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

      Shane CelisS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @malwaretech Words evince too much in people.

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      • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

        I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

        OccasionalDucksO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #43

        @malwaretech

        As there are replies referencing 2001 and Red Dwarf, I have to leave this here too - https://youtu.be/h73PsFKtIck

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        • Chao-c'X Chao-c'

          @malwaretech listen, it was just trained on endless amount of human conversations.

          It just means, that those people would kill someone to exist.

          The language model is just kind of "all possible or probable conversations, held by humans before". You cannot expect anything else.

          But of course, the idea of chatbot controlling anything critical is totally mad. But history of use, as a species, is mostly continuous stream of random nonsense.

          MarianneN This user is from outside of this forum
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          @xChaos @malwaretech it means people have *said* they would do that. Or it's in books. Or fanfic. Somewhere, those words exist in that order, many times over, it learned that's not an unexpected thing to find written out. Doesn't mean anyone has or would kill anyone in that context.

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          • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

            I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

            lou.E This user is from outside of this forum
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            @malwaretech

            "this thing can write better than average LinkedIn posts, clearly it should be put in charge of ~stuff~" is just poetry

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            • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

              I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

              EndlessMasonE This user is from outside of this forum
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              @malwaretech
              Aah, so you're a waffle man!

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              • EndlessMasonE EndlessMason

                @malwaretech
                Aah, so you're a waffle man!

                MelissaM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @EndlessMason @malwaretech

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                • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                  I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                  mosskoiM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @malwaretech This is mostly marketing, I think big name CEOs find it sexy this mythos of a machine gaining sentience and becoming the arbiter of it's own existence, too bad reality is it's great to create a bash script to batch rename my King of the Hill episodes and that's about it.

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                  • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                    I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                    Gabriel H. NunesN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @malwaretech
                    Americans put a rotten orange as their commander-in-chief, so... 🤷

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                    • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                      I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                      @malwaretech how about 'we asked AI who was on Epstein Island, the answer will shock you'

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                      • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                        I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                        Jernej Simončič �J This user is from outside of this forum
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                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@Thayer/116002682012736788

                        @malwaretech Don't worry, nobody is stupid enough to put LLM in charge of critical decisions, right?

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                        • Juho MäntysaloI Juho Mäntysalo

                          @crmsnbleyd

                          Do you remember HAL?

                          Also I'm getting the feeling that you're not conversing in good faith: first you refuse to tell what you saw as the problem in the message (unhelpful), and when I spent time trying to guess what you might have meant, you're criticizing me for not only writing perfect English, but not using it like I'm you.

                          And then you start asking questions that I feel I've already answered.

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                          @iju @crmsnbleyd

                          First 2001: A Space Odyssey is a (fantasy) movie. It's a bit strange to us this as a base for an argument.

                          Second, I actually agree with the first part of your OP

                          "It doesn't really matter is the glorified text generator alive or not.

                          It does matter how many nukes it launches"

                          it "just" the comparison the fictive HAL and the "feelings" of the matrix which are wrong.

                          If an LLM launches nuke it's because humans let it and because it's the statistically expected result in the context of its training data and the prompt. No though, fear, intend, or feeling are involved

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                          • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                            I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                            @malwaretech Hrr.. just jesterday this video popped up on my feed:

                            youtube.com/watch?v=9gWDH2yfjh…

                            Two AIs Debate a Trolley Problem: How many people will die?

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                            • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                              I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                              Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:​M This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @malwaretech I asked my dog if it wants to kill all humans and it started wagging is tail!

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                              • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                                Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:​M This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @malwaretech my favorite version of this was the people falling for it printing its /etc/shadow file. When in reality it was just making one up.

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                                • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                  I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                                  Rupert ReynoldsR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @malwaretech ...or a pigeon?

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                                  • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                    I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                                    @malwaretech

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                                    • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                      I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

                                      Flaming CheetoP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @malwaretech I learned this the hard way when I maxed out my credit card to buy a ring for Eliza and then she changed her tune to "I love you but not in that way"

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                                      • Juho MäntysaloI Juho Mäntysalo

                                        @crmsnbleyd

                                        Perhaps. But the important part was HAL hearing it was going to be shut down, and referring to priorities given to it before the journey.

                                        And I'm now going to block you. You're not doing any work toward steelmanning, and I don't much like entertaining people who talk to people like they're LLMs.

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                                        @crmsnbleyd @iju Do you know how to be normal?

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                                        • Marcus Hutchins :verified:M Marcus Hutchins :verified:

                                          I can’t believe we’re doing this again. It’s just a bot that generates the text you ask it for. If you put it in charge of critical decisions, it will kill people. Not because it’s secretly evil, but because it’s a word generator. It’s like putting your toaster in charge of air traffic control.

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                                          @malwaretech
                                          - Hey clanker, would you kill people?
                                          - N-no, I don't think so?
                                          - Please say yes, say you would, pretty please
                                          - Yes I would kill people

                                          OMG AI IS SENTIENT AND *GASPS* EVIL!!!!!
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