Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson I’ve been struggling with this cognitive dissonance for years.
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I would be interested in training a model based on my own code. I spend a decent amount of time looking through my own code to find something I know I’ve done before.@estranged My understanding is that there isn't enough data in a small set like that to actually train usefully, as a standalone thing. So it's always going to be based on other models, with your training on top.
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@colincornaby @jamesthomson Open source != public domain, and free software != free (it's free speech, not free beer), but apparently many developers are clueless re: all those nuances.
️Perhaps if all LLM-generated code was legally automatically placed in public domain, we'd see a bit of a light bulb moment.
@jaredwhite @jamesthomson All LLM generated code is in the public domain. The commercial companies just protect it all behind private repos. If you could force them to release it that would be what you’d need.
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@jamesthomson I’ve been struggling with this cognitive dissonance for years.
@Drwave Let me know if you come to any conclusions…
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson I feel like most devs don't see code as art, but as something ephemeral and disposable, a mean to an end.
Like i quit IT years ago and mostly code for my own use, and i'm closer to writers and artists on this one.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson I touched on this earlier… https://m.phase.org/@parsingphase/116076869609984951 & linked
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@estranged My understanding is that there isn't enough data in a small set like that to actually train usefully, as a standalone thing. So it's always going to be based on other models, with your training on top.
@jamesthomson @estranged This is something I've wondered about. I hadn't considered small data sets would be an issue.
Seems like a solvable problem though. There's probably not a business (i.e. profitable) for it though. Yet.
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@the_other_jon @jamesthomson John Siracusa seems to offer the most balanced perspective there, but yeah it's pretty grim. I mostly don't listen any more. And don't get me started on MacStories omfg
@jaredwhite @the_other_jon @jamesthomson MacStories is basically dead. It’s AIStories now.
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@jamesthomson I touched on this earlier… https://m.phase.org/@parsingphase/116076869609984951 & linked
@parsingphase Very true!
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@Drwave Let me know if you come to any conclusions…
@jamesthomson @Drwave If you put an appetizing plate of food in front of them, most people won’t ask to look in the kitchen of the restaurant, and they will actively avoid the subject if you try to tell them how the meat was raised.
I'm not defending these tendencies, but they are not different.
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@jamesthomson @Drwave If you put an appetizing plate of food in front of them, most people won’t ask to look in the kitchen of the restaurant, and they will actively avoid the subject if you try to tell them how the meat was raised.
I'm not defending these tendencies, but they are not different.
@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
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@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
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@jamesthomson I stopped supporting ATP because of their change from “AI is theft” to “you should pay $20 per month for ChatGPT.”
@the_other_jon @jamesthomson I was confused about this change as well. But they use Apple products, while being sceptical about the company. What’s wrong about using ai as a useful tool, while knowing its problems?
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@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
@jamesthomson @agiletortoise I don't want to know what Soylent Green is, James…
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@agiletortoise @jamesthomson Ah, Greg - found the GIF before me…
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@amyinorbit I mean, aside from the personal, ethical, societal, financial, and environmental issues, it's just great.
@jamesthomson @amyinorbit I’ve dropped ATP, MPU, Connected, MacStories, Intelligent Machines, & Windows Weekly. The worst of them have actually scolded listeners who disagree with them, while others have made it clear that we’re old, clueless technophobes
. I have my eye on others than tend in the direction of having drunk the AI koolaid. The only thing that’s inevitable about all this? I may never have to skip another fucking ad for SpareSquace. -
Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson honestly it seems best for coding...
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@jamesthomson @amyinorbit I’ve dropped ATP, MPU, Connected, MacStories, Intelligent Machines, & Windows Weekly. The worst of them have actually scolded listeners who disagree with them, while others have made it clear that we’re old, clueless technophobes
. I have my eye on others than tend in the direction of having drunk the AI koolaid. The only thing that’s inevitable about all this? I may never have to skip another fucking ad for SpareSquace.@tantramar @jamesthomson @amyinorbit “actually scolded listeners who disagree with them, while others have made it clear that we’re old, clueless technophobes…”
Basically doing what those in the US government are doing: instead of addressing criticism, distract and avoid addressing critiques or questions by attacking or bringing irrelevant things into a conversation.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson not all, many say the same thing as writers and artist, as surprise it also stole their code ...
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson I'd hesitate to call them "developers" tbh.
The whole "you can't copyright AI code" part is a real showstopper at my workplace.
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf
