Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
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@the_other_jon @jamesthomson John Siracusa seems to offer the most balanced perspective there, but yeah it's pretty grim. I mostly don't listen any more. And don't get me started on MacStories omfg
@jaredwhite @the_other_jon @jamesthomson MacStories is basically dead. It’s AIStories now.
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@jamesthomson I touched on this earlier… https://m.phase.org/@parsingphase/116076869609984951 & linked
@parsingphase Very true!
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@Drwave Let me know if you come to any conclusions…
@jamesthomson @Drwave If you put an appetizing plate of food in front of them, most people won’t ask to look in the kitchen of the restaurant, and they will actively avoid the subject if you try to tell them how the meat was raised.
I'm not defending these tendencies, but they are not different.
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@jamesthomson @Drwave If you put an appetizing plate of food in front of them, most people won’t ask to look in the kitchen of the restaurant, and they will actively avoid the subject if you try to tell them how the meat was raised.
I'm not defending these tendencies, but they are not different.
@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
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@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
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@jamesthomson I stopped supporting ATP because of their change from “AI is theft” to “you should pay $20 per month for ChatGPT.”
@the_other_jon @jamesthomson I was confused about this change as well. But they use Apple products, while being sceptical about the company. What’s wrong about using ai as a useful tool, while knowing its problems?
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@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
@jamesthomson @agiletortoise I don't want to know what Soylent Green is, James…
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@agiletortoise @jamesthomson Ah, Greg - found the GIF before me…
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@amyinorbit I mean, aside from the personal, ethical, societal, financial, and environmental issues, it's just great.
@jamesthomson @amyinorbit I’ve dropped ATP, MPU, Connected, MacStories, Intelligent Machines, & Windows Weekly. The worst of them have actually scolded listeners who disagree with them, while others have made it clear that we’re old, clueless technophobes
. I have my eye on others than tend in the direction of having drunk the AI koolaid. The only thing that’s inevitable about all this? I may never have to skip another fucking ad for SpareSquace. -
Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson honestly it seems best for coding...
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@jamesthomson @amyinorbit I’ve dropped ATP, MPU, Connected, MacStories, Intelligent Machines, & Windows Weekly. The worst of them have actually scolded listeners who disagree with them, while others have made it clear that we’re old, clueless technophobes
. I have my eye on others than tend in the direction of having drunk the AI koolaid. The only thing that’s inevitable about all this? I may never have to skip another fucking ad for SpareSquace.@tantramar @jamesthomson @amyinorbit “actually scolded listeners who disagree with them, while others have made it clear that we’re old, clueless technophobes…”
Basically doing what those in the US government are doing: instead of addressing criticism, distract and avoid addressing critiques or questions by attacking or bringing irrelevant things into a conversation.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson not all, many say the same thing as writers and artist, as surprise it also stole their code ...
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson I'd hesitate to call them "developers" tbh.
The whole "you can't copyright AI code" part is a real showstopper at my workplace.
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson Unfortunately it seems the options are use the slop generators or be unemployed. At least that is the opinion of management at the company I work for.
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@jamesthomson Unfortunately it seems the options are use the slop generators or be unemployed. At least that is the opinion of management at the company I work for.
@ryanvade That definitely sucks.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
Developers assume that all that code on the Internet must probably be open-source anyways. Cluelessly ignoring issues of attribution requirements, license compatibility, and the sheer lack of tracking of either by most scrapers. So far I've found one single model that even attempts to keep tabs on that, so you can imagine the ticking legal bomb that is the rest of them -
Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson It is depressing, I think some of it is management push, I think most of it is FOMO. Developers have always had this unique personality, they have to be seen as early adopters, innovators, and I think pontificating about how good they are at using AI, is just that. Just look at LinkedIn.
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@jamesthomson not all, many say the same thing as writers and artist, as surprise it also stole their code ...
I know I certainly do. My code has had it's protections stripped out so valley dudes can strip mine it for even the smell of real programming.
SHAME!
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson man this made me laugh so hard. Mastodon is cool
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
Generative AI models suck because they steal attribution, not copyright. So I like to say they're built on stolen attribution, not stolen "works." Because when you say stolen works, people will (correctly) observe that you still have the works you claim were stolen, and (correctly) roll their eyes and refuse to take you seriously. Claiming ownership of ideas and punishing people for sharing is itself deeply unethical, and we need to focus on the terrible danger AI represents, which is erasing our reputations and friendships, and burying us in slop. (And also destroying our ecosystem.)
Instead, artists are drinking the kool-aid and now preaching the same oppressive bullshit that publishers have been using to crush them for decades. -_-
