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  3. Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • meowkiM meowki

    @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.

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    #44

    @meowki @benroyce @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

    Just so.

    Also worth noting that some countries (at least my own) are enabling age-verification because you can't trust algorithms to show stuff people want/should see. If this is taken into account in the legistlation (which is still being written), then it wouldn't even apply to Mastodon.

    Similar use-cases are probably found in other EU-countries, if not in Germany?

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    • meowkiM meowki

      @benroyce @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron i think they are discussing that they may have to perform verification on their own servers: mastodon.social. I don’t think they can enforce verification on other servers.

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      #45

      @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

      My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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      • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

        @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

        My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

        2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

        3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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        • Niko TrimmelN Niko Trimmel

          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

          2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

          3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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          @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          thank you

          you educated me

          {hat tip}

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          • Niko TrimmelN Niko Trimmel

            @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

            1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

            2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

            3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

            Mark T. TomczakM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

            ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. 😉

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            • Mark T. TomczakM Mark T. Tomczak

              @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

              ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. 😉

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              @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

              which is great of you, thank you

              ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

              so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

              and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

              the problem is govt

              not mastodon admins

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              • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                which is great of you, thank you

                ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                the problem is govt

                not mastodon admins

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                @benroyce @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic All of this is very good insight.

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                • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                  @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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                  @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

                  Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

                  Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

                  Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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                  • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                    @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                    which is great of you, thank you

                    ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                    so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                    and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                    the problem is govt

                    not mastodon admins

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                    #52

                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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                    • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

                      Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

                      Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

                      Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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                      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

                      what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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                      • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                        @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        which is great of you, thank you

                        ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                        so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                        and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                        the problem is govt

                        not mastodon admins

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                        #54

                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

                        Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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                        • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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                          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                          what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

                          it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

                          the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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                          • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                            @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                            which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

                            what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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                            @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                            No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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                            • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

                              it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

                              the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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                              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

                              There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

                              FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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                              • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

                                Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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                                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                                on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                                🤭

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                                • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                  @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                  No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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                                  @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                  again that's all fine and good

                                  but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                                  effective resistance is not about purity

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                                  • aria :blobcattrans:A aria :blobcattrans:

                                    @Mastodon @mellifluousbox If Mastodon implements age verification, we leave.

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                                    @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox There will ALWAYS be noncompliant servers run by people who never travel to the US , the EU, the UK, or Austrailai. Also ones run by crews who know how to obfuscate ownerahip and get offshore hosting.

                                    That's where you will also find me-on noncompliant servers

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                                    • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

                                      There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

                                      FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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                                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                      you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                                      tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                                      you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                                      and mastodon needs support

                                      i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                                      • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                                        @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                        again that's all fine and good

                                        but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                                        effective resistance is not about purity

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                                        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                                        This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                                        • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                                          This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                                          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                          great

                                          would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                                          most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                                          that's it

                                          you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                                          and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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