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  3. Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

    @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    which is great of you, thank you

    ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

    so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

    and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

    the problem is govt

    not mastodon admins

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    #52

    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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    • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

      I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

      Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

      Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

      Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

      which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

      what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

        @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        which is great of you, thank you

        ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

        so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

        and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

        the problem is govt

        not mastodon admins

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        #54

        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

        Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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        • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

          it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

          the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

            @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

            which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

            what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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            @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

            No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

              what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

              it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

              the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

              There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

              FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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              • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

                Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                🀭

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                • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                  @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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                  @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  again that's all fine and good

                  but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                  effective resistance is not about purity

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                  • aria :blobcattrans:A aria :blobcattrans:

                    @Mastodon @mellifluousbox If Mastodon implements age verification, we leave.

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                    @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox There will ALWAYS be noncompliant servers run by people who never travel to the US , the EU, the UK, or Austrailai. Also ones run by crews who know how to obfuscate ownerahip and get offshore hosting.

                    That's where you will also find me-on noncompliant servers

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                    • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

                      There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

                      FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                      you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                      tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                      you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                      and mastodon needs support

                      i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                        @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                        again that's all fine and good

                        but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                        effective resistance is not about purity

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                        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                        This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                        • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                          This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                          great

                          would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                          most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                          that's it

                          you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                          and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                            tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                            you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                            and mastodon needs support

                            i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                            Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                              Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                              and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                              the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                              it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                              • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                great

                                would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                                most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                                that's it

                                you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                                and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                                • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                  @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                  That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                                  @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                  zero argument

                                  and if you make the services you talk about user friendly enough that the average social media user can point and click and zero hassle, even better

                                  until then, some servers are stuck in unfriendly districts

                                  and that's not their fault

                                  the govt is at fault

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                                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                    .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                                    and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                                    the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                                    it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                                    It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                                    • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                                      It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                      understood

                                      but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                                      and that's where this topic truly lies

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                                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                        understood

                                        but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                                        and that's where this topic truly lies

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                                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                                        As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                                        • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                                          As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                                          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                          100%

                                          and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                                          purity tests destroy effective resistance

                                          effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                                          we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                                          this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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